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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
To: Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] signals: do_tkill: don't use tasklist_lock
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 00:32:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080307213217.GA2584@tv-sign.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080307211955.A876226F990@magilla.localdomain>

On 03/07, Roland McGrath wrote:
>
> > Btw, a question: we are buggy or just "not perfect" ? After all, the
> > main thread actually exits although this is just linux's implementation
> > detail.
> 
> I think it's buggy.  The SIGKILL should kill the whole process.

OK.

> > Suppose that the main thread is already dead (dequeued SIGKILL), but
> > not yet released. This window is not that small. In that window (before
> > de_thread() switches pids) any private signal (even SIGKILL) sent to the
> > main thread will be silently lost.
> 
> This is the big problem with exec that I've cited before.  It can even
> happen with group-wide signals that should be fatal, but avoided the
> __group_complete_signal special fatal case.  (e.g. the thread racing with
> the exec thread just now unblocked the signal and dequeued it.)  IIRC it
> was the biggest reason we wanted to revisit the whole MT exec plan.

Oh. Could you clarify? Afaics, currently exec() can't miss the fatal group
signal?

> > We can change __group_complete_signal/zap_other_threads so that they won't
> > do sigaddset(), just signal_wake_up(). But in that case dequeue_signal()
> > and recalc_signal() should take signal_group_exit into account...
> 
> I'd like to revisit the use of "fake" SIGKILL for group exits.  That goes
> well with a rethink of MT exec.  But let's not get into all of that right now.

Yes.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-07 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-07  9:58 Oleg Nesterov
2008-03-07 10:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-07 11:05   ` [PATCH] signals-do_tkill-dont-use-tasklist_lock-comment Oleg Nesterov
2008-03-07 19:31 ` [PATCH] signals: do_tkill: don't use tasklist_lock Roland McGrath
2008-03-07 20:13   ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-03-07 20:23     ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-03-07 21:19     ` Roland McGrath
2008-03-07 21:32       ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2008-03-07 21:51         ` Roland McGrath
2008-03-08 18:05           ` mt-exec && signals Oleg Nesterov
2008-03-11  2:41             ` Roland McGrath
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-03-07  9:52 [PATCH] signals: do_tkill: don't use tasklist_lock Oleg Nesterov

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