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From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@phunq.net>
To: "Ph. Marek" <philipp.marek@bmlv.gv.at>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Stacking bio support
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:07:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803110507.10858.phillips@phunq.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200803111233.21386.philipp.marek@bmlv.gv.at>

On Tuesday 11 March 2008 04:33, Ph. Marek wrote:
> Win32 has IRP stacks, which do mostly the same AFAIU.
> 	http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms796144.aspx

That seems to be filling a similar need all right, though it looks
like a fancier (read: clunkier) solution.

> How do you handle the reallocation?
> - If you don't do it (but rely on the fact that the initial allocation is
>   enough), you might end up with NO_MORE_IRP_STACK_LOCATIONS
>     http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms793675.aspx
> - If you do reallocate, the allocations have to register themselves in
>   the emergency pool (see the current thread about swapping over NFS)

Yes, I reallocate.  I do not currently register these with the
emergency pool, good spotting.  I intend to do all such reallocations
with GFP_MEMALLOC (out of tree deadlock-prevention allocation flag) and
rely on (out of tree) bio throttling to prevent the memalloc reserve
from being exhausted.  Hopefully these things will be in-tree in due
course.

Incidentally, the bio stack should make the bio throttling somewhat
more elegant, a nice circular effect.

> I don't say that it's impossible ... just that some "interesting" things will 
> await you. 

Tell me about it :-)

> That's different from the Win32 way AFAIK - there it's defined that every 
> layer *has* to use its own stack location. (But it's been some time since I 
> needed that, so I might be wrong.)

I think you are right.  In fact, I thought about this for a couple of
years, always getting hung up at exactly that point.  When I stopped
trying to see the stack as a fixed size object with preassigned frames,
the rest fell into place.  One obvious problem with the pre-assigned
approach: you don't always know the path ahead of time that a bio
will take to a physical device.
 
> But I sure hope you succeed!

Thankyou for your useful comments.  I do need to present a solution
complete with deadlock prevention.  I guess the bio code will end up
simpler there too, because with the memalloc anti-deadlock approach,
the array of bio mempools can go away.

Regards,

Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-11 12:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-11 10:52 Daniel Phillips
2008-03-11 11:33 ` Ph. Marek
2008-03-11 12:07   ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2008-03-11 12:38     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-04-10 13:04       ` Daniel Phillips
2008-04-10 13:34         ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-03-14 13:59 ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-03-14 14:04   ` [RFC] Stacking bio support - patch 1/4 for 2.6.23.17 (stable) Alan D. Brunelle
2008-03-14 19:41     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-03-14 14:04   ` [RFC] Stacking bio support Alan D. Brunelle
2008-03-14 14:06     ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-03-14 14:05   ` [RFC] Stacking bio support - patch 3/4 for 2.6.23.17 (stable) Alan D. Brunelle
2008-03-14 14:05   ` [RFC] Stacking bio support - patch 4/4 " Alan D. Brunelle
2008-03-16 21:38   ` [RFC] Stacking bio support Daniel Phillips

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