From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Karsten Wiese <fzu@wemgehoertderstaat.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: set_cyc2ns_scale() remove tsc_now and ns_now
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:06:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080411080617.GP10019@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080411075554.GA6834@elte.hu>
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 09:55:54AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
>
> > (actually it is still the wrong time -- really needs a grace period
> > during which the TSC is not used
> > ftp://firstfloor.org/pub/ak/quilt/patches/sched-clock implemented some
> > of these ideas against an older kernel)
>
> recent CPUs have constant-freq TSCs so it's mostly a legacy issue, but
Actually there millions of non constant freq TSC CPUs shipped each
quarter ...
> we dont really have to worry about complications like grace periods -
> higher layers in the scheduler protect against temporary sched_clock()
> outliers.
But you still get scheduling hickups even with the sanity check. If the
scheduler depends on a smooth time that is not good and my (admittedly much less
than yours) understanding of CFS is that it relies on that. Especially ondemand
can cause quite a lot of cpufreq changes on some workloads.
> So i think this can all be done much simpler. Just get rid of
> the global cpu_khz notion, sched_clock() should simply follow the ->freq
> value - and that's it.
At some point you have to generate an offset to something and that
offset must be different for different frequencies, otherwise
you get large systematic errors
(<imagine complicated mathematical proof why this is so, but it should
be fairly obvious>)
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-11 8:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-10 21:31 Karsten Wiese
2008-04-11 7:42 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-11 7:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 8:06 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-04-11 8:25 ` Guillaume Chazarain
2008-04-11 8:40 ` Andi Kleen
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