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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Zdenek Kabelac <zdenek.kabelac@gmail.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/8] cpu: cpu-hotplug deadlock
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:45:24 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080429164524.GA298@tv-sign.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1209481748.13978.84.camel@twins>

On 04/29, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>
> The only thing that changed is that the mutex is not held; so what we
> change is:
> 
>  LOCK
> 
>  ... do the full hotplug thing ...
> 
>  UNLOCK
> 
> into
> 
>  LOCK
>   set state
>  UNLOCK
> 
>  ... do the full hotplug thing ...
> 
>  LOCK
>   unset state
>  UNLOCK
> 
> So that the lock isn't held over the hotplug operation.

Well, yes I see, but... Ugh, I have a a blind spot here ;)

why this makes any difference from the semantics POV ? why it is bad
to hold the mutex throughout the "full hotplug thing" ?

> > (actually, since write-locks should be very rare, perhaps we don't need
> >  2 wait_queues ?)
> 
> And just let them race the wakeup race, sure that might work. Gautham
> even pointed out that it never happens because there is another
> exclusive lock on the write path.
> 
> But you say you like that it doesn't depend on that anymore - me too ;-)

Yes. but let's suppose we have the single wait_queue, this doesn't make
any difference from the correctness POV, no?

To clarify: I am not arguing! this makes sense, but I'm asking to be sure
I didn't miss a subtle reason why do we "really" need 2 wait_queues.

Also. Let's suppose we have both read- and write- waiters, and cpu_hotplug_done()
does wake_up(writer_queue). It is possible that another reader comes and does
get_online_cpus() and increments .refcount first. After that, cpu_hotplug
is "opened" for the read-lock, but other read-waiters continue to sleep, and
the final put_online_cpus() wakes up write-waiters only. Yes, this all is
correct, but not "symmetrical", and leads to the question "do we really need
2 wait_queues" again.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-29 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-29 12:56 [PATCH 0/8] CPU-Hotplug: Fix CPU-Hotplug <--> cpufreq locking dependency Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-29 12:57 ` [PATCH 1/8] lockdep: fix recursive read lock validation Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-29 13:16   ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-29 14:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-29 15:03       ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-29 15:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-29 16:03           ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-29 16:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-29 16:29               ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-29 17:04                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-29 17:45                   ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-29 17:58                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-29 12:58 ` [PATCH 2/8] lockdep: reader-in-writer recursion Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-29 13:00 ` [PATCH 3/8] lockdep: fix fib_hash softirq inversion Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-29 14:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-29 13:01 ` [PATCH 4/8] net: af_netlink: deadlock Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-29 13:19   ` Hans Reiser, reiserfs developer linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2008-04-29 13:02 ` [PATCH 5/8] cpu: cpu-hotplug deadlock Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-29 14:33   ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-04-29 15:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-29 16:45       ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2008-04-29 17:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-30  5:37     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-30 11:43       ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-04-29 13:02 ` [PATCH 6/8] lockdep: annotate cpu_hotplug Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-29 13:03 ` [PATCH 7/8] cpu_hotplug: Introduce try_get_online_cpus() Gautham R Shenoy
2008-04-29 13:05 ` [PATCH 8/8] cpufreq: Nest down_write/read(cpufreq_rwsem) within get_online_cpus()/put_online_cpus() Gautham R Shenoy

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