From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1764664AbYD3TXG (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:23:06 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1762300AbYD3TWx (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:22:53 -0400 Received: from smtp6.pp.htv.fi ([213.243.153.40]:54447 "EHLO smtp6.pp.htv.fi" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1761509AbYD3TWw (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:22:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:22:08 +0300 From: Adrian Bunk To: Helge Hafting Cc: Willy Tarreau , "H. Peter Anvin" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, trivial@kernel.org Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] UTF-8 fixes in comments Message-ID: <20080430192208.GE29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> References: <20080428154023.GU2813@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <20080428230524.GK8474@1wt.eu> <48167A07.4000305@kernel.org> <20080429050605.GA27875@1wt.eu> <20080429072911.GA28059@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <20080429081423.GD30507@1wt.eu> <4816E4FD.5060605@aitel.hist.no> <20080429100934.GB1473@1wt.eu> <481838A0.2060507@aitel.hist.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <481838A0.2060507@aitel.hist.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:15:12AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > Willy Tarreau wrote: >... >> It's too easy to impose crappy designs to end-users and tell them that if >> that does not work they have to file a bug. There are a minimal set of >> things that must be tested before shipping. Seeing that the default >> terminal emulator in KDE on Mandriva 2008 is configured in UTF-8 and does >> not properly render it simply makes me sick. This is broken by design and >> even distros trying to get it working for years still can't cope with it. >> There must be a reason. >> > Yeah, ascii-only is a crappy design. :-/ I don't know if mandriva is > broken by design - I only use debian. > It would not surprise me if some distros botch utf-8 through negligence. > They are based in english-speaking countries and have their biggest > user bases there - the majority of their customers aren't going to use > more than > ascii so why should they bother. Mandriva is a French company. And what Willy describes really sounds like someone fiddling with some settings (or something like accidentally selecting some non UTF-8 locale). Bad things can happen when you somehow get charsets mixed, but distributions default to UTF-8 for quite some time, and problems with a 100% UTF-8 system have therefore become were unlikely. >... > Helge Hafting cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed