From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [announce] "kill the Big Kernel Lock (BKL)" tree
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:45:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080515154533.GB30216@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18476.21589.315367.664174@stoffel.org>
> I must admit I used to have an ISA Cyclades 8 port serial card running
> in there, but now it's all PCI stuff. It only had one ISA slot. So
> yes, ISA SMP boxes are slowly dying, but they'll be around for a long
> time to come.
My point was that for those few users it's actually better to keep
the BKL. If you try to remove it on some old driver you cannot test
due to lack of hardware the risk of breaking the driver is higher than the
gain you would get from removing it. The best you can do in this
legacy code is to keep it running with minimal changes in the old
tested state (although for some of it it's doubtful it still does actually)
>
> Andi> Also on 2 CPU systems BKL is not that critical anyways. It only
> Andi> starts to hurt on larger CPU counts.
>
> True, but with the growing number of multicore systems, esp on
> desktops, it's going to be an issue.
Multicore systems don't have ISA slots.
[yes I'm sure someone will tell me now about the ISA-over-USB device
that exists. Don't bother, it doesn't add anything to the point]
-Andi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-15 15:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-14 17:49 Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 18:30 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 21:00 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:13 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-14 21:17 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:19 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:03 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 13:34 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 14:27 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 15:36 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 10:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 8:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 18:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 19:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 20:05 ` Frederik Deweerdt
2008-05-14 21:45 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 21:39 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:07 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 22:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-22 20:20 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 15:44 ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-16 15:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-16 16:03 ` [PATCH] kill empty chardev open/release methods Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-16 16:24 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:55 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-18 19:46 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-18 19:58 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 16:22 ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Alan Cox
2008-05-16 16:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-16 16:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-17 21:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-18 20:26 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-19 23:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <200805200111.47275.arnd@arndb.de>
2008-05-19 23:14 ` [PATCH 2/3, RFC] watchdog " Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 6:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-20 8:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 15:47 ` Wim Van Sebroeck
2008-05-20 18:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 21:00 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-22 9:34 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 9:08 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 8:42 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-19 23:26 ` [PATCH 1/3, RFC] misc char " Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 0:07 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20 0:21 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 0:46 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20 8:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 23:01 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20 23:25 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-21 16:22 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-19 23:34 ` [PATCH 3/3, RFC] remove BKL from misc_open() Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 15:13 ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 17:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 18:51 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-17 21:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-18 20:07 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 22:11 ` [announce] "kill the Big Kernel Lock (BKL)" tree Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 22:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 13:30 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 15:05 ` John Stoffel
2008-05-15 15:10 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 15:18 ` John Stoffel
2008-05-15 15:45 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-05-15 8:44 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-05-15 14:54 ` Diego Calleja
2008-05-14 21:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:15 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-15 20:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-15 20:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-15 21:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-17 0:14 ` Kevin Winchester
2008-05-17 0:37 ` Kevin Winchester
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