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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Brandeburg, Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	Chris Peterson <cpeterso@cpeterso.com>,
	tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, tpm@selhorst.net,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:20:49 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080516132049.GC8029@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <482D5FC5.2070103@firstfloor.org>

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:19:49PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
>...
> The only problem you got from possible bogus input is that the entropy
> counts will be wrong, but in my experience nearly all programs
> use /dev/urandom anyways because /dev/random is just a DoS waiting
> to happen and user space programmers know that.
>...

If programs just need some random data without relying on the fact that 
it's cryptographically strong /dev/urandom is the right choice.

But some programs need entropy for doing crypto stuff, and a local DoS 
is harmless compared to the consequences of bad /dev/random data.

Consider as a worst case the just discovered OpenSSL bug in Debian where 
all accounts with public key authentification and keys created on a 
Debian/Ubuntu system during the last 20 months [1] can be taken over by 
an attacker within less than 20 minutes with a simple brute force 
attack. [2]

> -Andi

cu
Adrian

[1] 13 months for Debian stable users
[2] http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Full-Disclosure/2008-05/msg00416.html

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-16 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-15  7:11 Chris Peterson
2008-05-15 13:21 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 16:07   ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2008-05-15 16:39     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 18:14       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:47         ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 19:10           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:50         ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 19:11           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 19:55         ` [PATCH] " Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16  0:27           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16  9:56             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 10:19               ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16 12:12                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-16 16:25                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-17  1:01                     ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-17 10:59                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-17 19:54                         ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-17 20:05                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-18 10:13                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-18 11:26                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 12:57                                 ` Joe Korty
2008-05-18 17:53                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-25 15:26                                   ` Glen Turner
2008-05-19 12:29                                 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-18 10:08                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-22  9:28                     ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-16 13:20                 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2008-05-16 16:20                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16 19:47               ` David Miller
2008-05-16 23:28         ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 18:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:17       ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 18:31         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:47           ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 19:21             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 20:01               ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-15 20:16                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 20:39                   ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 21:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 21:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 22:29                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 22:44                       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 23:02                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 23:36                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 23:46                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 23:33                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 23:58                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-16 13:21               ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 13:40                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16 13:59                   ` Will Newton
2008-05-16 14:15                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 14:27                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16 15:10                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 17:36                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 18:11                     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 18:40                       ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-18 10:59                         ` Matthias Andree
2008-05-16 18:41                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 18:42                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 20:04                         ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:39                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 20:46                             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:34                       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-25 15:02                         ` Glen Turner
2008-05-25 19:33                           ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-17  4:55                       ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-25 15:09                         ` Glen Turner
2008-05-25 23:27                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-26 13:43                             ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-05-26 15:14                               ` Bill Fink
2008-05-26 21:07                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-26 21:52                                   ` Bill Fink
2008-05-26 22:11                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2008-05-27 16:44                                 ` Rick Jones
2008-05-30 19:50                                 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20080516191125.46 <20080525232712.GF5970@mit.edu>
2008-05-26 21:08                       ` Gilles Espinasse
2008-05-25 14:55             ` Glen Turner
     [not found]           ` <482C8550 <20080516161029.44ded734@core>
2008-05-16 20:08             ` Gilles Espinasse
2008-05-17 22:02               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-18  6:41                 ` [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses ofIRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM Gilles Espinasse
2008-05-18  9:54                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-18 12:02                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-18 12:24                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 14:43                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-15 21:55     ` [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM Adrian Bunk
2008-05-15 22:04       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 22:27         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 22:13       ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-15 22:34         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 22:57           ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-18  0:36       ` Matt Mackall
2008-05-18 11:03         ` Matthias Andree
2008-05-15 22:42     ` Jeff Garzik

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