From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S937141AbYEUTun (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 15:50:43 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1764570AbYEUTuB (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 15:50:01 -0400 Received: from 74-93-104-97-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([74.93.104.97]:38260 "EHLO sunset.davemloft.net" rhost-flags-OK-FAIL-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760676AbYEUTt7 (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 15:49:59 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20080521.124954.193695735.davem@davemloft.net> To: akpm@linux-foundation.org Cc: tytso@mit.edu, hch@infradead.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org From: David Miller In-Reply-To: <20080521104644.5b6f4e63.akpm@linux-foundation.org> References: <20080521103206.GA24545@infradead.org> <20080521120939.GF8581@mit.edu> <20080521104644.5b6f4e63.akpm@linux-foundation.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Andrew Morton Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:46:44 -0700 > Guys, get a clue. It doesn't matter what that person did. It is the > effect upon *all* other potential developers which is so damaging here. > Not upon this individual. You can't have your cake and eat it too Andrew. It's only a half-story to talk about future contributors when current trends on this list are making things bad for existing folks doing useful work. You make it sound like it's this one sided story where we have to be all nicey nicey to everybody so that new contributors aren't discouraged, and that's where it ends. But we're currently encouraging a society of bottom feeders. And bottom feeders, although erroneously perceived as being good for the fish tank, actually end up making the tank more dirty in the end. So this is a trend we have to reverse now. And we're not going to close cultural gaps by making Al Viro or any other major kernel contributor quiet about things like this. Don't be so naive Andrew. The problem is so much larger than that.