From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S936745AbYEUTe2 (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 15:34:28 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S935863AbYEUTd7 (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 15:33:59 -0400 Received: from xenotime.net ([66.160.160.81]:44296 "HELO xenotime.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S934547AbYEUTd6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 15:33:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:33:55 -0700 From: Randy Dunlap To: Cyrill Gorcunov Cc: Andrew Morton , Theodore Tso , Christoph Hellwig , Al Viro , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net Subject: Re: CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Message-Id: <20080521123355.b34f07ad.rdunlap@xenotime.net> In-Reply-To: <20080521185725.GD6932@cvg> References: <12113495282137-git-send-email-kongjianjun@gmail.com> <20080521083413.GM28946@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20080521015037.add0b78e.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080521103206.GA24545@infradead.org> <20080521120939.GF8581@mit.edu> <20080521104644.5b6f4e63.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080521185725.GD6932@cvg> Organization: YPO4 X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.8.10; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:57:25 +0400 Cyrill Gorcunov wrote: > [Andrew Morton - Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:46:44AM -0700] > | On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:09:39 -0400 Theodore Tso wrote: > | > | > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 06:32:06AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > | > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:50:37AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > | > > > Oh, what a marvellous way to encourage new contributors that was. Thank > | > > > you so much. > | > > > > | > > > For the record: Al speaks only for himself and a lack of expressed > | > > > disagrement from others should not be taken as agreement. > | > > > | > > But I'd like to second the opinion. This is getting a little too far. > | > > We should rather try to at least enforce very basic standards a lot of > | > > the crap shoved in doesn't follow instead of wanking around about exact > | > > placement of whitespaces. > | > > | > The real question is whether people who are wanking about whitespace > | > and spelling fixes in comments will graduate to writing real, useful > | > patches. If they won't, there's no point to encouraging them. > | > > | > | Guys, get a clue. It doesn't matter what that person did. It is the > | effect upon *all* other potential developers which is so damaging here. > | Not upon this individual. > | > > Btw, we have CodingStyle, SubmittingPatches and other, but why don't > we have something like KernelNewbieGuide? Don't get me wrong, but > there could be written all rules about - what is good to do, what is bad. > So a newbiew who wants to be usefull for kernel could read it and decide > what should be done. /Don't beat me ;) / And of course I know about > kernelnewbie.org but this (even quite short) document could help I think. I did a talk on Linux "social engineering" at {OSCON, IEEE NW something, and SCALE}. All about what (not) to do, how to do it, etc. Slides for it are available in http://www.xenotime.net/linux/mentor/ . --- ~Randy