From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S936947AbYEUX5z (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 19:57:55 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1760905AbYEUX5p (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 19:57:45 -0400 Received: from smtp4.pp.htv.fi ([213.243.153.38]:44974 "EHLO smtp4.pp.htv.fi" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1760725AbYEUX5p (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 May 2008 19:57:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 02:55:28 +0300 From: Adrian Bunk To: Rene Herman Cc: Andrew Morton , Cyrill Gorcunov , tytso@mit.edu, hch@infradead.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net Subject: Re: CFD: linux-wanking@vger.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments) Message-ID: <20080521235528.GD16376@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> References: <12113495282137-git-send-email-kongjianjun@gmail.com> <20080521083413.GM28946@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20080521015037.add0b78e.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080521103206.GA24545@infradead.org> <20080521120939.GF8581@mit.edu> <20080521104644.5b6f4e63.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080521185725.GD6932@cvg> <20080521123127.3b3b66af.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080521230155.GC16376@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <4834AD90.8050307@keyaccess.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4834AD90.8050307@keyaccess.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 01:17:36AM +0200, Rene Herman wrote: > On 22-05-08 01:01, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >> Offering any serious mentoring for newbies will only keep developers >> busy who could otherwise do things that would bring more value to the >> kernel. > > There is the question of exactly how long you'd like this project to > survive though (in a vibrant form). > > Remarked elsewhere recently that a downside of the new development model > seems to be missing opportunity for new editions of books with "all new! > covers 2.8!" blurps on the cover. > > That is, not seeing quality documentation emerge, not seeing mentoring > from experienced developers... -- where and how do you want the new > developers to come from? If only from business linux as a community > thing is as dead as when you'd just close shop. We are drowning in new code, and our biggest problem is to get it properly integrated. We don't have any shortage in the sheer number of people, and it doesn't seem we'll ever have. And we have many newbies who come and find themselves areas for useful contributions. > Rene. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed