From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: notting@redhat.com
Cc: kaber@trash.net, bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] Allow full bridge configuration via sysfs
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080707.145259.103902820.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080707213420.GA20089@nostromo.devel.redhat.com>
From: Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:34:20 -0400
> I could look at wireless network configuration, but I doubt that's going to
> help your argument.
Just like any system with age, we have a lot of legacy to
convert over. But it will happen.
> That being said, how is moving from adding a bonding slave from:
> echo "+eth0" > /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/slaves to:
> to:
> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net:Generic_Netlink_HOWTO
>
> a worthwhile improvement for the admin? Let's see, a kernel-userspace
> protocol with magic message formats. Hey, we reinvented ioctl!
>
> Why, if netlink is the standard (and it's been around for a long
> damn time), was sysfs configuration for bonding added in 2005? Why
> was bridge configuration added in 2005, and *extended* in 2006 and
> 2007? Why were the user-space tools such as brctl ported from ioctl
> to sysfs?
Because often a lot of shit slips in when someone who understands
the ramifications is too busy or on vacation.
We do want everything to be netlink based.
Why?
Because it means that you can run one monitoring tool to listen
for netlink events and report them to the user for diagnosis.
It means that network configuration events can be sent over
the wire and used remotely at some point.
The latter can never happen as long as we keep adding ad-hoc
config stuff.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-07 21:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-07 20:05 Bill Nottingham
2008-07-07 20:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add a 'bridging_masters' file in sysfs under class/net Bill Nottingham
2008-07-07 20:05 ` [PATCH 2/2] Add a 'interfaces' file to the bridge device configuration in sysfs Bill Nottingham
2008-07-07 20:50 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Allow full bridge configuration via sysfs Patrick McHardy
2008-07-07 20:53 ` Bill Nottingham
2008-07-07 20:58 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-07 21:34 ` Bill Nottingham
2008-07-07 21:52 ` David Miller [this message]
2008-07-07 22:04 ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2008-07-10 2:34 ` Bill Nottingham
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20080707.145259.103902820.davem@davemloft.net \
--to=davem@davemloft.net \
--cc=bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org \
--cc=kaber@trash.net \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=netdev@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=notting@redhat.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox
Powered by JetHome