From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753247AbYIJXYo (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:24:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755035AbYIJXYa (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:24:30 -0400 Received: from 74-93-104-97-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([74.93.104.97]:52089 "EHLO sunset.davemloft.net" rhost-flags-OK-FAIL-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754975AbYIJXY3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:24:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20080910.162423.40167601.davem@davemloft.net> To: dwmw2@infradead.org Cc: jeffm@suse.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] firmware: Allow release-specific firmware dir From: David Miller In-Reply-To: <1221088512.13621.58.camel@macbook.infradead.org> References: <1221087719.13621.50.camel@macbook.infradead.org> <20080910.160505.14060698.davem@davemloft.net> <1221088512.13621.58.camel@macbook.infradead.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.1 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: David Woodhouse Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:15:11 -0700 > It's definitely not something we should be doing upstream though. So you think it's ok that every Debian user has to learn this magic incantation just to use current kernels? I don't think it's nice to break things like this on people, especially such a large group. Getting this stuff to work is hard enough, and we're just putting yet another barrier into the situation and that can only mean less testers and contributors. I do know several people who aren't testing and contributing because the whole firmware shakeup is so bolixed and they really are exasperated after spending hours trying to get it to work. This costs people's time, which is valuable. I hate to say it, but this kind of attitude seems to be pervasive every time some negative ramification of the firmware changes shows up.