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From: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
To: "Paweł Sikora" <pluto@agmk.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel-abi] symbol versioning vs. out-of-tree modules.
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:36:17 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080924193617.GA13888@x200.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y165ES5i.1222268879.9618400.pluto@agmk.net>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 05:07:59PM +0200, Paweł Sikora wrote:
> with out-of-tree kernel modules we (users and linux distributions)
> have a problem - with every frequent kernel release we need
> to rebuild them all due to vermagic and possible abi changes.
> this leads to lot of useless work (bumping rpm specs releases,
> preparing rpm packages and so on).

That's your price for using out-of-tree junk.

> naturally we could workaround the modprobe vermagic errors
> but we currently can't detect the big-bang kernel abi changes.

And never will be able to.

> e.g., some kernel function changes its parameter list while
> the exported function(symbol) name still staying unchanged.
> finally we get a modprobe-big-bang.

*bang*

> in fact, we can't use a c++ symbol name mangling to avoid
> such problems but kernel build system could use a linker script
> to versioning symbols (like glibc/libgcc). during the abi change,
> kernel developers could just bump the symbol version and
> external modules could be refused during loading with
> 'unresolved symbol' error which is imho much better solution
> that an oops.

So kernel developers should waste time thinking if some change will
result in some innumerable junk being broken, resulting in symbol
version bump?

> is it acceptable and possible to introducing such solution?

No. Don't even bother.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-24 19:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-24 15:07 Paweł Sikora
2008-09-24 16:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-26  9:50   ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-09-24 19:36 ` Alexey Dobriyan [this message]
2008-09-24 21:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-25  2:48 ` Greg KH
2008-09-25  6:29   ` Paweł Sikora
2008-09-25  7:49     ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2008-09-25  8:26       ` Sitsofe Wheeler
2008-09-25  8:52     ` el es
2008-09-25 12:54     ` Greg KH
2008-09-25 13:48       ` Paweł Sikora
2008-09-25 13:54         ` Greg KH
2008-09-26 11:25       ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-09-26 15:36         ` Greg KH
2008-09-26 17:19           ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2008-09-26 20:09             ` Greg KH
2008-09-29  6:51 Alan Young
2008-09-29 15:42 ` Greg KH

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