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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, agk@redhat.com, mbroz@redhat.com,
	chris@arachsys.com
Subject: Re: RFC: one-bit mutexes (was: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Memory management livelock)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:51:07 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200810211251.07579.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0810201612210.22845@hs20-bc2-1.build.redhat.com>

On Tuesday 21 October 2008 07:14, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> > > If you are concerned about the size of an inode, I can convert other
> > > mutexes to bit mutexes: i_mutex and inotify_mutex.
> >
> > I wouldn't worry for now. mutexes can be unlocked much faster than bit
> > mutexes, especially in the fastpath. And due to slab, it would be
> > unlikely to actually save any space.
>
> Maybe inotify_mutex. You are right that i_mutex is so heavily contended
> that slowing it down to save few words wouldn't be good. Do you know about
> any inotify-intensive workload?

Don't really know, no. I think most desktop environments use it to
some extent, but no idea how much.


> > > I could also create
> > > bit_spinlock (one-bit spinlock that uses test_and_set_bit) and save
> > > space for address_space->tree_lock, address_space->i_mmap_lock,
> > > address_space->private_lock, inode->i_lock.
> >
> > We have that already. It is much much faster to unlock spinlocks than
> > bit spinlocks in general (if you own the word exclusively, then it's
> > not, but then you would be less likely to save space), and we can also
> > do proper FIFO ticket locks with a larger word.
>
> BTW. why do spinlocks on x86(64) have 32 bits and not 8 bits or 16 bits?
> Are atomic 32-bit instuctions faster?

In the case of <= 256 CPUs, they could be an unsigned short I think.
Probably it has never been found to be a huge win because they are
often beside other ints or longs. I think I actually booted up the
kernel with 16-bit spinlocks when doing the FIFO locks, but never
sent a patch for it... Don't let me stop you from trying though.


> Can x86(86) system have 256 CPUs?

Well, none that I know of which actually exist. SGI is hoping to have
4096 CPU x86 systems as far as I can tell.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-21  1:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080911101616.GA24064@agk.fab.redhat.com>
2008-09-22 21:10 ` [PATCH] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23  0:48   ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 22:34   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 22:49     ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23 23:11       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-23 23:46         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24 18:50           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:51           ` [PATCH 1/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-09-24 18:52           ` [PATCH 2/3] " Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-02  5:54             ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-05 22:11               ` RFC: one-bit mutexes (was: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Memory management livelock) Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-11 12:06                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-20 20:14                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-21  1:51                     ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-10-05 22:14               ` [PATCH 1/3] bit mutexes Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:14               ` [PATCH 2/3] Fix fsync livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 22:33                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:02                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:07                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-05 23:18                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-05 23:28                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06  0:01                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  0:30                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06  3:30                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  4:20                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 13:00                                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06 13:50                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-10-06 20:44                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-08 10:56                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-06  2:51                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-10-05 22:16               ` [PATCH 3/3] Fix fsync-vs-write misbehavior Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-09  1:12               ` [PATCH] documentation: explain memory barriers Randy Dunlap
2008-10-09  1:17                 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09  1:31                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-09  5:51                     ` Chris Snook
2008-10-09  9:58                       ` Ben Hutchings
2008-10-09 21:27                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09 17:29                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09  1:50                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-10-09 17:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-09  6:52                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-24 18:53           ` [PATCH 3/3] Memory management livelock Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03  2:32       ` [PATCH] " Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  2:40         ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  2:59           ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  3:14             ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  3:47               ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  3:56                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  4:07                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03  4:17                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-03  4:29                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:43                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:27                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:53                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03  2:54         ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 11:26           ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 12:31             ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-03 13:50               ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-03 14:50                 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 14:36               ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-10-03 15:52           ` application syncing options (was Re: [PATCH] Memory management livelock) david
2008-10-06  0:04             ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-06  0:19               ` david
2008-10-06  3:42                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07  3:37                   ` david
2008-10-07 15:44                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2008-10-07 17:16                       ` david

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