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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
Cc: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: data corruption: revalidating a (removable) hdd/flash on re-insert
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:28:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081104212811.GC8349@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4910BD2B.1020808@msgid.tls.msk.ru>

On Wed 2008-11-05 00:22:51, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> Pavel Machek wrote:
>>>>> Every access to removable media is guarded by this revalidation check.
>>>>> If you don't see these events, you should not trust this reader, and
>>>>> at least never change the media while it is connected.
>>>> This is rather nasty data-corrupter.
>>> Sure, it is.
>>>
>>>> Could we at least blacklist
>>>> broken device, and force revalidation on each close or something like
>>>> that?
>>> What's your idea of revalidation if the hardware does not tell you?
>>> Get an md5 of the disk content? :)
>>
>> Well... you should not eject media while fs is mounted or blockdev is
>> open, correct?
>>
>> So can we simply claim 'media changed' on last close/unmount? Sure,
>> sometimes media was not changed, but that only hurts performance, not
>> correctness... ?
>
> Well, that's what my tiny proggy, which I used here to work around the
> problem, does.  It constantly opens/closes the /dev/sdFOO, every 0.5s
> currently (I don't think I will be able to replace a media faster than
> half a second :), in order to catch REMOVALs of media -- because when
> the drive does not see the media anymore, it correctly reports that
> the media has changed...

Ok, so we you need to do is to put it into kernel and activate it
via blacklist...?
									Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-04 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-31 15:38 Michael Tokarev
2008-10-31 15:59 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-10-31 16:10   ` Michael Tokarev
2008-10-31 18:28     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-10-31 16:10 ` Kay Sievers
2008-10-31 17:39   ` Michael Tokarev
2008-10-31 18:49     ` Kay Sievers
2008-11-04 19:57   ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-04 20:13     ` Kay Sievers
2008-11-04 20:20       ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-04 21:22         ` Michael Tokarev
2008-11-04 21:28           ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2008-11-05  8:04             ` Michael Tokarev
2008-11-05  0:29           ` Kay Sievers

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