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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: "Kay Sievers" <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Cc: "Evgeniy Polyakov" <zbr@ioremap.net>,
	"Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Linux Crypto Mailing List" <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Runaway loop with the current git.
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:51:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081207175118.09c633e8@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ac3eb2510812070939h17ef6316hea96fe89f01207a6@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:39:48 +0100
"Kay Sievers" <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 18:28, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> >> > /dev/console is a logical mapping to a device which may well be
> >> > different, loaded after PCI is initialised and dependant on PCI.
> >>
> >> So wrong. If no driver is associated, like early, in that case, we
> >> must return -ENODEV, instead of calling modprobe in a loop. It's a
> >> built-in device, and it's easy to fix.
> >
> > You've clearly no idea how initrd even works have you ?
> 
> Not sure, if you understand the real problem. A kernel forked binary
> is allowed to access /dev/console, but it triggers a kernel bug.

If there is a hotplug load for the console device then it cannot. Just as
a request for the driver for /dev/hda cannot open /dev/hda* again.

> Nonsense. The kernel calls /sbin/modprobe directly, no hotplug involved.

Its up to you if the kernel calls modprobe and what your modprobe is

> The kernel calls modprobe for something, modprobe tries to log an
> error, and the kernel calls modprobe again. Bug! No hotplug involved.

A modprobe to load the console device shouln't open /dev/console. Very
simple and always been true.

> >                                Kernel issues hotplug message
> >                                .....
> >                                Kernel detects this is stuck
> >                                Kernel replies with -ENODEV/-ENXIO to try
> > and rescue itself from buggy initrd scripts
> 
> Totally wrong, It never was that way

Funny but its been that way for many many years. Just as it cannot try and
syslog an error when loading the AF_UNIX socket family.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-07 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-05 18:03 Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-05 18:16 ` Alan Cox
2008-12-05 18:32   ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-05 19:27     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-05 19:34       ` Alan Cox
2008-12-05 21:12         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-05 21:17           ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-05 21:24             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-06  2:10               ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-06 16:09                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-06 16:16                   ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-06 16:56                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-06 18:11                       ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-06 19:32                         ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-06 20:26                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07  3:56                             ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07  4:31                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 11:23                               ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 11:45                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 11:58                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 13:10                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 14:02                                 ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 15:08                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 14:49                                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-07 15:14                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 15:55                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-07 16:03                                     ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 16:09                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 16:21                                         ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 16:57                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 17:03                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 17:24                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 17:29                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 16:31                                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 17:01                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 17:13                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 17:17                                             ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 17:22                                             ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 17:28                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 17:39                                                 ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 17:51                                                   ` Alan Cox [this message]
2008-12-07 18:22                                                     ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-08  3:23                                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-12-08  3:56                                                         ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 17:44                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 17:52                                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 17:54                                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-07 18:03                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 18:13                                                         ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 18:15                                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 18:21                                                             ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 18:31                                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 19:02                                                                 ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-07 20:00                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 22:26                                                                     ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-08  1:18                                                                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-08  3:35                                                                         ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-09  1:09                                                                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-12-09  2:00                                                                             ` Kay Sievers
2008-12-09 10:13                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-12-07 16:33                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-08 13:06                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-09  0:42                                       ` Herbert Xu
2008-12-08 13:22                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-06  0:29           ` Alan Cox

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