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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	eranian@gmail.com, Vince Weaver <vince@deater.net>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	Arjan van de Veen <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [patch] Performance Counters for Linux, v3
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:59:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081212105938.GA2685@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081212102111.GE30490@erda.amd.com>

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:21:11AM +0100, Robert Richter wrote:
> I agree with Stephane. There are already many different PMU
> descriptions depending on family, model and steppping and with *every*
> new cpu revision you will get one more update. Implementing this in
> the kernel would require kernel updates where otherwise no changes
> would be necessary.

Please stop the Bullshit.  You have to update _something_.  It makes a
lot of sense to update the thing you need to udpate anyway for new
hardware support, and not some piece of junk library like libperfmon.

> > Talking with my community hat on, that is an artificial problem created
> > by distributions, tell them to fix it.
> 
> It does not make sense to close the eyes to reality. There are systems
> where it is not possible to update the kernel frequently. Probably you
> have one running yourself.

Of course it is.  And on many of my systems it's much easier to update a
kernel than a library.  A kernel I can build myself, for libraries I'm
more or less reliant on the distro or hacking fugly rpm or debian
packagging bits.

Having HW support in the kernel is a lot easier than in weird libraries.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-12 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-11 15:52 Ingo Molnar
2008-12-11 18:02 ` Vince Weaver
2008-12-12  8:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-12  8:35     ` stephane eranian
2008-12-12  8:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-12  9:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-12  9:07           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-12  8:59     ` stephane eranian
2008-12-12  9:23       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-12 10:21         ` Robert Richter
2008-12-12 10:59           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2008-12-12 11:35             ` Robert Richter
2008-12-12 16:45         ` Chris Friesen
2008-12-12 17:42         ` stephane eranian
2008-12-12 18:01           ` stephane eranian
2008-12-12 19:45             ` Chris Friesen
2008-12-15 14:50               ` stephane eranian
2008-12-15 22:32                 ` Chris Friesen
2008-12-17  7:45                   ` stephane eranian
2008-12-14 23:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-15  0:37               ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-15 12:58                 ` stephane eranian
2008-12-15 14:42                 ` stephane eranian
2008-12-15 20:58               ` stephane eranian
2008-12-15 22:53               ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-13 11:17           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-13 13:48             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-12-13 17:44             ` stephane eranian
2008-12-14  1:02             ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-14 22:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-15  0:50                 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-12-15 13:02                   ` stephane eranian
2008-12-12 17:03     ` Samuel Thibault
2008-12-12 17:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-12 18:18     ` Vince Weaver
2008-12-11 18:35 ` Andrew Morton
2008-12-12  6:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-11 19:11 ` Tony Luck
2008-12-11 19:34   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-12  8:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-12  8:54       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-12 13:42       ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-14 14:51 ` Performance counter API review was " Andi Kleen
2009-02-02 20:03   ` Corey Ashford
2009-02-02 20:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-03 16:53       ` Maynard Johnson
2009-02-04  2:18       ` Paul Mackerras
2009-02-04  2:32         ` Nathan Lynch
2009-02-04  8:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-04 10:47           ` Paul Mackerras
2009-02-04 10:51             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-12-11 22:05 William Cohen

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