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From: Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86 byteorder.h: use __asm__/__inline__ for userspace
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:57:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200812271557.07003.vapier@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <495693E5.3060604@zytor.com>

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On Saturday 27 December 2008 15:45:25 H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Saturday 27 December 2008 14:23:19 H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> >> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> >>> {su}{8,16,32,64} doesnt matter too much to me vs
> >>> {u,}int_t{8,16,32,64}_t. as long as people stop using
> >>> __{su}{8,16,32,64}.  using the latter though does mean headers will
> >>> more likely be "just usable" w/out needing linux/types.h include.  but
> >>> then people would be forced to include stdint.h or similar before a
> >>> linux header ... and that sucks.
> >>
> >> That is a total non-starter.  This would mean that the C library itself
> >> cannot use these headers without exporting additional symbols into the
> >> namespace, *WHICH IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO*.
> >
> > which is already happening today you mean.  grep the kernel headers and
> > you'll see a ton of [u]intXX_t hits.
>
> Now, keep in mind this is only true for headers exported to userspace.
> But this is correct - which is the base of this conversation (Sam
> suggesting that they should be warned about, and I suggested
> auto-converting them.)

if the topic is for autoconverting the uintXX_t (and related) types to __uXX 
(and related), then that's easy to do i would think.  i can post a patch to do 
that.

> > this logic though means that the kernel should not be defining any
> > structures that the C library is defining (such as asm-generic/fcntl.h). 
> > such structs should get renamed the same way as __[us]XX types
>
> This is also correct, at least for exported headers.  For
> kernel-internal headers, it doesn't matter.  Unfortunately we do have at
> least several cases of exported interfaces with globally visible names.
>
> There is one other exception of note, which is a header file which can
> only be included by the userspace *application*, using a nonportable
> top-level include (either directly <linux/*> or indirectly via <sys/*>).
>  In those cases we can be looser about at least structure names.  This
> is common for ioctl structures.

the structures that go through ioctls rarely are an issue.  trouble often 
brews when dealing with POSIX functions that have a very similar (if not 
direct) version in the kernel interface that utilize structures.  i mention 
the fcntl structure because ive seen that with a couple of packages where the 
version in the kernel headers conflicts with the version in the C library.  or 
where the kernel ABI structure is not directly compatible with the POSIX C 
library structure ... the stat struct is an example of this where the C 
library has to know the layout of both and converts one to the other.

looking at asm-generic/fcntl.h, i'd propose this change as a template:
...
#ifdef __KERNEL__
# define kernel_flock flock
#endif
struct kernel_flock {
...
-mike

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-27 20:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-27  6:50 Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27  7:12 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-27  7:55   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27  8:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-12-27  9:21     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27 18:57     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-27 18:58       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 19:12         ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-27 19:15           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 19:21             ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27 19:23               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 20:05                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-27 20:45                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 20:57                     ` Mike Frysinger [this message]
2008-12-27 21:08                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 21:09                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-29 11:56                         ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-29 17:44                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-27 19:24             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-27 19:24               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-29 11:12             ` [PATCH] kbuild: auto-convert size types in userspace headers Mike Frysinger
2008-12-29 14:03               ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-29 20:34                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-29 20:36                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-29 22:04                     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-12-29 23:35                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-30 10:43                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-12-30 17:42                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-18 20:53                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-07 16:44           ` [PATCH] x86 byteorder.h: use __asm__/__inline__ for userspace David Woodhouse
2008-12-27 21:15     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-12-28 22:35 ` Marcin Slusarz
2008-12-28 23:03   ` H. Peter Anvin

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