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From: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
To: Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>
Cc: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>,
	Embedded Linux mailing list <linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>
Subject: Re: PATCH [0/3]: Simplify the kernel build by removing perl.
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:59:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090103145924.BE7968387CDB@gemini.denx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090102095023.GA28078@linux-sh.org>

Dear Paul Mundt,

In message <20090102095023.GA28078@linux-sh.org> you wrote:
>
> Your main reasons against inclusion of perl seem to be that there is no
> realistic expectation for target systems that will be self-hosting will
> have perl included, or the inherent complexity in maintaining a coherent
> cross compiling environment. Both of these things are issues with your
> own environment, and in no way are these representative of the embedded
> development community at large.

I'm  not  sure  how  representative  for  the  "embedded  development
community at large" your statement is.

Just to add a data point to the statistice, I do agree with Rob's
opinion about needing Per to build the Linux kernel.

All other arguments aside, natively compiling the Linux kernel  on  a
target  board, especially with root file system mounted over NFS, has
always been an excellent stress test (you may even call it regression
test) for Linux running on some target hardware.

Losing this ability just because  some  scripts  are  implemented  in
language  FOO when plain shell will do as well is something we should
try to avoid.

Of course, YMMV.

Best regards,

Wolfgang Denk

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-03 15:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-02  8:07 Rob Landley
2009-01-02  8:13 ` [PATCH 1/3]: Replace kernel/timeconst.pl with kernel/timeconst.sh Rob Landley
2009-01-02  9:04   ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02 12:00     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 19:33       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04  1:32         ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  1:35           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 12:07           ` Alan Cox
2009-01-04 18:36             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04 19:03             ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 20:39               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-05  0:59                 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-03  6:28       ` Harvey Harrison
2009-01-03 12:28   ` Ingo Oeser
2009-01-04  1:36     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  5:07       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-04  6:43         ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 22:13           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-05  0:15             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-05  2:23               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-05 10:46                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-05 15:01                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-05 16:18                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-06  0:06                     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 21:07                   ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05  4:50               ` Rob Landley
2009-01-05 12:29                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-04 21:51         ` Alejandro Mery
2009-01-04  7:15       ` Michal Jaegermann
2009-01-05  0:41   ` Ray Lee
2009-01-05  5:08     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02  8:14 ` [PATCH 2/3]: Remove perl from make headers_install Rob Landley
2009-01-02  9:09   ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02  8:15 ` [PATCH 3/3]: Convert mkcapflags.pl to mkcapflags.sh Rob Landley
2009-01-02  9:12   ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02  9:26 ` PATCH [0/3]: Simplify the kernel build by removing perl Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2009-01-02  9:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-02 10:16     ` Alejandro Mery
2009-01-02 10:30       ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 11:18         ` Matt Keenan
2009-01-02 10:41       ` Måns Rullgård
2009-01-15 12:59         ` Pádraig Brady
2009-01-15 18:52           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-15 19:45             ` Måns Rullgård
2009-01-02 11:15       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 11:44         ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02 12:56     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 14:04       ` Theodore Tso
2009-01-03  3:22         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-04  2:23         ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 10:02   ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 10:03     ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 11:13   ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 16:04     ` Matthieu CASTET
2009-01-03 19:46       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-03 20:10         ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-03 20:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04  1:47             ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  1:45           ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  8:09             ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-04 20:19               ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  0:44         ` Robert Hancock
2009-01-04  1:39           ` David Brownell
2009-01-04  3:05           ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  1:32       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02  9:50 ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-02 10:32   ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 10:57     ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-02 12:11       ` Mark Miller
2009-01-02 12:44   ` Rob Landley
2009-01-02 17:25   ` Wookey
2009-01-02 18:01     ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-02 19:27       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04  1:35         ` Rob Landley
2009-01-03 19:48       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-03 14:59   ` Wolfgang Denk [this message]
2009-01-03 22:54 ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-01-03 23:03   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04  0:37     ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-01-04  2:53       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  3:38         ` Markus Heidelberg
2009-01-04  4:57           ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  2:06     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  2:14       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04  6:29         ` Rob Landley
2009-01-15 14:32           ` Pádraig Brady
2009-01-04  2:36       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-04  2:39         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04  2:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-04  3:06       ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-04 10:23         ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-01-08 13:29           ` Mike Frysinger
2009-01-11 12:45           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-01-12  3:36             ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12  5:11               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-01-12  5:23                 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12  8:20               ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-12  9:18                 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12  9:41                   ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-12 10:03                     ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 10:34                       ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-12 17:56                     ` Rob Landley
2009-01-12 18:04                       ` Alan Cox
2009-01-12  8:27               ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-01-12 17:45                 ` Rob Landley
     [not found]             ` <31014a580901111928u586e2246uccf370ff941c8a01@mail.gmail.com>
2009-01-12  5:35               ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-12  5:50                 ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 10:18                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2009-01-12 10:22                     ` Mark A. Miller
2009-01-12 10:38                     ` Paul Mundt
2009-01-14  2:51                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-16  6:11                         ` Rob Landley
2009-01-16 14:54                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-01-16 21:54                             ` Rob Landley
2009-01-17  9:51                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-01-18  1:44                                 ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04 16:22         ` Vladimir Dronnikov
2009-01-04  1:24 ` PATCH [0/3]: Simplify the kernel build by removing perl v2 Rob Landley
2009-01-04  1:27   ` PATCH [1/3]: Replace kernel/timeconst.pl with kernel/timeconst.sh (v2) Rob Landley
2009-01-04  2:48     ` David Vrabel
2009-01-04 20:21       ` Rob Landley
2009-01-04  1:28   ` PATCH [2/3]: Remove perl from make headers_install Rob Landley
2009-01-04  1:29   ` PATCH [3/3]: Convert kernel/cpu/mkcapflags.pl to kernel/cpu/mkcapflags.sh Rob Landley

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