From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756035AbZBPVxr (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:53:47 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752804AbZBPVxh (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:53:37 -0500 Received: from casper.infradead.org ([85.118.1.10]:53372 "EHLO casper.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752587AbZBPVxg (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:53:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:53:39 -0800 From: Arjan van de Ven To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" Cc: pm list , LKML , Arve =?UTF-8?B?SGrDuG5uZXbDpWc=?= , Alan Stern , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Pavel Machek , Nigel Cunningham , Matthew Garrett , mark gross , "Woodruff, Richard" , Uli Luckas , Igor Stoppa , Brian Swetland , Len Brown Subject: Re: [RFD] Automatic suspend Message-ID: <20090216135339.53b4a911@infradead.org> In-Reply-To: <200902162248.34287.rjw@sisk.pl> References: <200902160010.16955.rjw@sisk.pl> <20090215164456.34aef7e8@infradead.org> <200902162248.34287.rjw@sisk.pl> Organization: Intel X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by casper.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:48:32 +0100 "Rafael J. Wysocki" wrote: > > Userland should never ever control the state of a device like this > > directly. It should do so by a) closing the device and b) setting > > latency / functional requirements. > > The user, however, may want to forcibly put a device into a low power > state without stopping all of the applications that depend on it (eg. > have it open). Do you think that we shouldn't allow users to do such > things? I would think that that is a bad mistake to do. It basically breaks the contract that the kernel has with userspace.... -- Arjan van de Ven Intel Open Source Technology Centre For development, discussion and tips for power savings, visit http://www.lesswatts.org