From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754134AbZBPW4T (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:56:19 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751481AbZBPW4H (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:56:07 -0500 Received: from casper.infradead.org ([85.118.1.10]:37602 "EHLO casper.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751460AbZBPW4G (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:56:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:55:59 -0800 From: Arjan van de Ven To: Pavel Machek Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" , pm list , LKML , Arve Hj?nnev?g , Alan Stern , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Nigel Cunningham , Matthew Garrett , mark gross , "Woodruff, Richard" , Uli Luckas , Igor Stoppa , Brian Swetland , Len Brown Subject: Re: [RFD] Automatic suspend Message-ID: <20090216145559.5412b909@infradead.org> In-Reply-To: <20090216225116.GG1370@ucw.cz> References: <200902160010.16955.rjw@sisk.pl> <20090215164456.34aef7e8@infradead.org> <200902162248.34287.rjw@sisk.pl> <20090216225116.GG1370@ucw.cz> Organization: Intel X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by casper.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:51:16 +0100 Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > > > > Userland should never ever control the state of a device like this > > > directly. It should do so by a) closing the device and b) setting > > > latency / functional requirements. > > > > The user, however, may want to forcibly put a device into a low > > power state without stopping all of the applications that depend on > > it (eg. have it open). Do you think that we shouldn't allow users > > to do such things? > > I don't think we should do this... of you want device to be powered > down, just don't keep it open. revoke should be enough :-). > > ...one execption here is the disk driver; unmounting filesystems to > let the disk spin down is probably too heavy. but spin down happens on non-activity ;) it's more a slumber than a power down -- Arjan van de Ven Intel Open Source Technology Centre For development, discussion and tips for power savings, visit http://www.lesswatts.org