From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752873AbZBQKLh (ORCPT ); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:11:37 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751663AbZBQKL2 (ORCPT ); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:11:28 -0500 Received: from smtp-out002.kontent.com ([81.88.40.216]:47644 "EHLO smtp-out002.kontent.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751619AbZBQKL1 (ORCPT ); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:11:27 -0500 From: Oliver Neukum Organization: Novell To: Pavel Machek Subject: Re: [RFD] Automatic suspend Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:29:49 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Arjan van de Ven , pm list , LKML , "Arve Hj?nnev?g" , Alan Stern , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Nigel Cunningham , Matthew Garrett , mark gross , "Woodruff, Richard" , Uli Luckas , Igor Stoppa , Brian Swetland , Len Brown References: <200902160010.16955.rjw@sisk.pl> <200902162248.34287.rjw@sisk.pl> <20090216225116.GG1370@ucw.cz> In-Reply-To: <20090216225116.GG1370@ucw.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200902170029.52891.oliver@neukum.org> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am Monday 16 February 2009 23:51:16 schrieb Pavel Machek: > > The user, however, may want to forcibly put a device into a low power state > > without stopping all of the applications that depend on it (eg. have it open). > > Do you think that we shouldn't allow users to do such things? > > I don't think we should do this... of you want device to be powered > down, just don't keep it open. revoke should be enough :-). Keeping a device open also guarantees identity. Secondly you may not have opened a device yourself and indeed be unable to do so. Regards Oliver