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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nfsv4@linux-nfs.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 21/41] CacheFiles: Permit the page lock state to be monitored [ver #48]
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:34:59 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200904061935.00000.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32240.1238844700@redhat.com>

On Saturday 04 April 2009 22:31:40 David Howells wrote:
> Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > I would really like to know exactly why it *has* to be asynchronous,
> > and see what the diff looks like between a simple synchronous design
> > and what you have here.
> 
> Okay.  See attached patch.
> 
> Three benchmarks, all with data preloaded into the cache, and all with all the
> data in memory on the server:
> 
>  (1) dd of a 100MB file.
> 
>  (2) dd of a 200MB file.
> 
>  (3) Eight parallel tars of 340MB kernel trees.
> 
> 	Benchmark	Without Patch	With Patch
> 	1		1.971s		3.371s
> 	2		3.750s		7.093s
> 	3		18 mins		22 mins
> 
> With this patch, we wait for the pages to be read from the backing fs and copy
> them in fscache_read_or_alloc_pages().

Thanks. Pretty good numbers, really, for a first cut.


> I'm sure there are ways to optimise things, but whilst doing a synchronous
> read at this in fscache_read_or_alloc_pages() might help an start-to-end read
> as done by most programs, it's less likely to help random-access reads, such
> as page-in for mmapped sections.

Why is this the case? ->readpage is always a synchronous call, whether it
is via read(2) or page fault.

->readpages is asynchonous, for readahead, but in that case the caller
isn't locking the page and waiting on them anyway, so do you really need
an asynchronous callback? You could still kick off asynchronous reads to
the backing file.


> Note also: (1) the caller of the netfs's readpages() has already done
> readahead speculation, and we should probably make best use of that, rather
> than doing it again; and

The caller *is* the readahead speculation. But if you're hooking into
the backing filesystem at the ->readpage level, then you don't get
extra readahead there anyway.


> (2) all the metadata for where the data blocks are on
> the backing fs has already been read by dint of calling bmap() to determine
> whether the data blocks exist or not.
> 
> What might be cute is to have cachefiles_read_or_alloc_pages() dentry_open()
> the backing file with O_DIRECT|O_NOHOLE, use ->read() to load the data into
> the netfs pages directly, and then fput() the file once it has finished.

It would definitely be nicer to move this thing higher up to look as
much like userspace syscalls as possible. You could probably use AIO
with your DIO too.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-06  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-03 15:54 [PATCH 00/41] Permit filesystem local caching " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:54 ` [PATCH 01/41] Create a dynamically sized pool of threads for doing very slow work items " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:54 ` [PATCH 02/41] Make slow-work thread pool actually dynamic " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:54 ` [PATCH 03/41] Make the slow work pool configurable " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:54 ` [PATCH 04/41] Document the slow work thread pool " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 05/41] FS-Cache: Release page->private after failed readahead " David Howells
2009-04-04  6:00   ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 06/41] FS-Cache: Recruit a page flags for cache management " David Howells
2009-04-04  6:04   ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 07/41] FS-Cache: Add the FS-Cache netfs API and documentation " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 08/41] FS-Cache: Add the FS-Cache cache backend " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 09/41] FS-Cache: Add main configuration option, module entry points and debugging " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 10/41] FS-Cache: Add use of /proc and presentation of statistics " David Howells
2009-04-04 17:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 11/41] FS-Cache: Root index definition " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 12/41] FS-Cache: Add cache tag handling " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 13/41] FS-Cache: Add cache management " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 14/41] FS-Cache: Provide a slab for cookie allocation " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 15/41] FS-Cache: Add netfs registration " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:55 ` [PATCH 16/41] FS-Cache: Bit waiting helpers " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 17/41] FS-Cache: Object management state machine " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 18/41] FS-Cache: Implement the cookie management part of the netfs API " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 19/41] FS-Cache: Add and document asynchronous operation handling " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 20/41] FS-Cache: Implement data I/O part of netfs API " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 21/41] CacheFiles: Permit the page lock state to be monitored " David Howells
2009-04-04  6:09   ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-04 14:22     ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-04 22:13     ` David Howells
2009-04-06  8:31       ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-04 11:31   ` David Howells
2009-04-06  9:34     ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 22/41] CacheFiles: Export things for CacheFiles " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 23/41] CacheFiles: A cache that backs onto a mounted filesystem " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 24/41] FS-Cache: Make kAFS use FS-Cache " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 25/41] NFS: Add comment banners to some NFS functions " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 26/41] NFS: Add FS-Cache option bit and debug bit " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:56 ` [PATCH 27/41] NFS: Permit local filesystem caching to be enabled for NFS " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 28/41] NFS: Register NFS for caching and retrieve the top-level index " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 29/41] NFS: Define and create server-level objects " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 30/41] NFS: Define and create superblock-level " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 31/41] NFS: Define and create inode-level cache " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 32/41] NFS: Use local disk inode cache " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 33/41] NFS: Invalidate FsCache page flags when cache removed " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 34/41] NFS: Add some new I/O counters for FS-Cache doing things for NFS " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 35/41] NFS: FS-Cache page management " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 36/41] NFS: Add read context retention for FS-Cache to call back with " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 37/41] NFS: nfs_readpage_async() needs to be accessible as a fallback for local caching " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 38/41] NFS: Read pages from FS-Cache into an NFS inode " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:57 ` [PATCH 39/41] NFS: Store pages from an NFS inode into a local cache " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:58 ` [PATCH 40/41] NFS: Display local caching state " David Howells
2009-04-03 15:58 ` [PATCH 41/41] NFS: Add mount options to enable local caching on NFS " David Howells

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