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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 05:51:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090525035158.GB9396@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A19A9A4.8010002@redhat.com>


* Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:

> Ingo Molnar wrote:
>>> IO APIC operations are not even slightly performance critical? Are  
>>> they ever used on the interrupt delivery path?
>>>     
>>
>> Since they are not performance critical, then why doesnt Xen catch the 
>> IO-APIC accesses, and virtualizes the device?
>>
>> If you want to hook into the IO-APIC code at such a low level, why  
>> dont you hook into the _hardware_ API - i.e. catch those setup/routing 
>> modifications to the IO-APIC space. No Linux changes are needed in that 
>> case.
>>   
>
> When x2apic is enabled, and EOI broadcast is disabled, then the io 
> apic does become a hot path - it needs to be written for each 
> level-triggered interrupt EOI.  In this case I might want to 
> paravirtualize the EOI write to exit only if an interrupt is 
> pending; otherwise communicate via shared memory.
>
> We do something similar for Windows (by patching it) very 
> successfully; Windows likes to touch the APIC TPR ~ 100,000 times 
> per second, usually without triggering an interrupt.  We hijack 
> these writes, do the checks in guest context, and only exit if the 
> TPR write would trigger an interrupt.

I suspect you aware of that this is about the io-apic not the local 
APIC. The local apic methods are already driver-ized - and they sit 
closer to the CPU so they matter more to performance.

> (kvm will likely gain x2apic support in 2.6.32; patches have 
> already been posted)

ok. This points in the direction of the io-apic driver abstraction 
from Jeremy being the right long-term approach. We already have a 
few quirks that could be cleaned up by using a proper driver 
interface.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-25  3:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-12 23:25 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 01/17] xen/dom0: handle acpi lapic parsing in Xen dom0 Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 02/17] x86: add io_apic_ops to allow interception Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-25  3:54   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-27  7:17     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 03/17] xen: implement io_apic_ops Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 04/17] xen: create dummy ioapic mapping Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 05/17] xen: implement pirq type event channels Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 06/17] x86/io_apic: add get_nr_irqs_gsi() Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 07/17] xen/apic: identity map gsi->irqs Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 08/17] xen: direct irq registration to pirq event channels Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 09/17] xen: bind pirq to vector and event channel Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 10/17] xen: pre-initialize legacy irqs early Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 11/17] xen: don't setup acpi interrupt unless there is one Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 12/17] xen: use acpi_get_override_irq() to get triggering for legacy irqs Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 13/17] xen: initialize irq 0 too Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 14/17] xen: dynamically allocate irq & event structures Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 15/17] xen: set pirq name to something useful Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 16/17] xen: fix legacy irq setup, make ioapic-less machines work Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-12 23:25 ` [PATCH 17/17] xen: disable MSI Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-19 12:35 ` [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops) Ingo Molnar
2009-05-20 17:57   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-25  4:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-26 12:46       ` [Xen-devel] " George Dunlap
2009-05-26 18:26         ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-26 19:18           ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-05-26 19:41             ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-28  0:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28  0:49               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-28  3:47               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-05-28 14:26               ` George Dunlap
2009-05-29  0:45               ` Xen is a feature Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-29  1:27                 ` Greg KH
2009-05-29  4:05                 ` David Miller
2009-05-29  6:37                   ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-05-29  6:51                     ` David Miller
2009-05-29 12:01                   ` George Dunlap
2009-05-29 14:14                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2009-05-29 21:29                       ` David Miller
     [not found]                     ` <87tz33ep1b.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
2009-05-29 21:31                       ` [Xen-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-29 23:09                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2009-05-29 23:26                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-06-02 15:23                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-02 16:41                       ` George Dunlap
2009-06-02 17:28                         ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-02 17:46                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 18:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-02 18:59                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07  9:13                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-07 10:01                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07 10:35                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-07 12:46                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-07 13:02                                       ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2009-06-04 14:02                           ` [Xen-users] " Thomas Goirand
2009-06-02 18:59                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03 19:49                       ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-03 20:20                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03 22:37                           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-03 23:29                             ` Frans Pop
2009-06-04 13:21                               ` George Dunlap
2009-06-04 15:10                                 ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-04 15:31                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-05  4:14                               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-06-05  4:55                                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-02 22:40                     ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-02 23:28                       ` Merge Xen (the hypervisor) into Linux Ingo Molnar
2009-06-03  0:00                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-06-03  0:32                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-03  2:43                           ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-03  3:42                             ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  4:49                               ` Dan Magenheimer
2009-06-03  4:58                                 ` David Miller
2009-06-03  5:07                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  5:22                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03 12:03                                   ` George Dunlap
2009-06-03 19:05                                     ` Theodore Tso
     [not found]                                       ` <4A27CF94.1050903@gmx.de>
2009-06-04 14:03                                         ` [Xen-users] " Steven Rostedt
2009-06-03  7:28                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  8:47                               ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03  9:09                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  9:20                                   ` Keir Fraser
2009-06-03 11:15                                   ` Theodore Tso
2009-06-03 11:39                                     ` Keir Fraser
2009-06-03 11:41                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-03  1:00                         ` Joel Becker
2009-06-03  2:00                           ` david
2009-06-03  7:59                           ` Alan Cox
2009-06-03  8:07                         ` Christian Tramnitz
2009-06-04 18:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-05  0:09                             ` Samuel Thibault
2009-06-05  0:18                               ` David Miller
2009-06-05  0:54                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-03 17:31                         ` Chris Friesen
2009-06-03 17:36                           ` Alan Cox
2009-06-02 23:41                       ` Xen is a feature Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-30  2:19                 ` [Xen-devel] " Andy Burns
2009-05-26 21:19         ` [Xen-devel] Re: [GIT PULL] Xen APIC hooks (with io_apic_ops) Gerd Hoffmann
2009-05-27 10:14           ` George Dunlap
2009-05-24 20:10   ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  3:51     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-05-25  4:55       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  5:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25  5:12           ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-25  5:19             ` Ingo Molnar

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