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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [benchmark] 1% performance overhead of paravirt_ops on native kernels
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:16:18 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200906051416.19311.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0906040736350.4880@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:32:14 am Linus Torvalds wrote:
> So I think your minimum and maximum configs should at least _match_ in
> HIGHMEM. Limiting memory to not actually having any (with "mem=880M") will
> avoid the TLB flushing impact of HIGHMEM, which is clearly going to be the
> _bulk_ of the overhead, but HIGHMEM is still going to be noticeable on at
> least some microbenchmarks.

Well, Ingo was ranting because (paraphrase) "no other config option when 
*unused* has as much impact as CONFIG_PARAVIRT!!!!!!!!!!".

That was the point of my mail; facts show it's simply untrue.

> The comparison is ugly and pointless.
(Re: SMP)

Distributions don't ship UP kernels any more; this shows what that costs if 
you're actually on a UP box.  If we really don't care, perhaps we should make 
CONFIG_SMP=n an option under EMBEDDED for x86.  And we can rip out the complex 
patching SMP patching stuff too.

> Something like CONFIG_HIGHMEM* or CONFIG_SMP is not really what I'd ever
> call "optional feature", although I hope to Dog that CONFIG_HIGHMEM can
> some day be considered that some day.

Someone from a distro might know how many deployed machines don't need them.  
Kernel hackers tend to have modern machines; same with "enterprise" sites.  I 
have no idea.

Without those facts, I'll leave further discussion to someone else :)

Thanks,
Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-05  4:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-14  0:16 Performance overhead of paravirt_ops on native identified Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-14  1:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14  8:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-14 14:05     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14 17:36   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-14 17:50     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14  8:05 ` [Xen-devel] Performance overhead of paravirt_ops on nativeidentified Jan Beulich
2009-05-14  8:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-14 17:45   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-15  8:10     ` Jan Beulich
2009-05-15 18:50       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-18  7:19         ` Jan Beulich
2009-05-20 22:42           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-15 18:18 ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86: Fix performance regression caused by paravirt_ops on native kernels tip-bot for Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-21 22:42 ` Performance overhead of paravirt_ops on native identified Chuck Ebbert
2009-05-21 22:48   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-21 23:10     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-22  1:26     ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-05-22  3:39       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-22  4:27       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-22  5:59         ` Xin, Xiaohui
2009-05-22 16:33           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-22 22:44             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-22 22:47               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-25  9:15 ` [benchmark] 1% performance overhead of paravirt_ops on native kernels Ingo Molnar
2009-05-26 18:42   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-28  6:17     ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-28 20:57       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-05-30 10:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-02 14:18         ` Chris Mason
2009-06-02 14:49           ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-06-02 15:03             ` Chris Mason
2009-06-02 15:22               ` Ulrich Drepper
2009-06-02 16:20                 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-02 18:13                   ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02 18:06               ` Pekka Enberg
2009-06-02 18:27                 ` Chris Mason
2009-06-03  6:33             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-06-02 19:14           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-06-02 19:51             ` Chris Mason
2009-06-03 12:38         ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-03 16:09           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]             ` <200906041554.37102.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
2009-06-04 15:02               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-04 21:52                 ` Dave McCracken
2009-06-05  7:31                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-06-05 14:31                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-06 18:54                   ` Anders K. Pedersen
2009-06-05  4:46                 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2009-06-05 14:54                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-07  0:53                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-06-08 14:53                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09  9:39                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 11:17                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-09 12:10                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 12:25                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-09 12:42                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 12:56                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-09 15:18                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 23:33                         ` Paul Mackerras
2009-06-10  1:26                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-09 15:07                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 15:09                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-09 18:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 18:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 22:48                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-09 22:54                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-06-09 14:54                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 14:57                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-09 15:55                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-06-09 15:38                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 16:00                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 16:21                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 16:26                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-09 16:45                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-09 17:08                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-06-10  5:53                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-17  9:40                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-17  9:56                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-06-10  6:29                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-06-04  6:58 Rusty Russell

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