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From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	"Linux-pm mailing list" <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch update] Re: [linux-pm] Run-time PM idea (was: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/2] PM: Rearrange core suspend code)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:06:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200906111706.16848.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0906111041020.3040-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

Am Donnerstag, 11. Juni 2009 16:52:03 schrieb Alan Stern:
> > Under this definition all devices behind an inactive link are suspended,
> > because they can't do any I/O.  Which appears to makes sense, because
> > their drivers have to be notified before the link is suspended and the
> > link has to be turned on for the devices to be able to communicate with
> > the CPU and RAM.
> >
> > If this definition is adopted, then it's quite clear that the device can
> > only be suspended if all of its children are suspended and it's always
> > necessary to resume the parent of a device in order to resume the device
> > itself.
>
> Okay, I'll agree to that.  It should be made clear that a device which
> is "suspended" according to this definition is not necessarily in a
> low-power state.  For example, before powering down the link to a disk
> drive you might want the drive's suspend method to flush the drive's
> cache, but it wouldn't have to spin the drive down.

This precludes handling busses that have low power states that are
left automatically. If such links are stacked the management of acceptable
latencies cannot be left to the busses.
An actual example are the link states of USB 3.0

	Regards
		Oliver


  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-11 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-06 22:54 [RFC][PATCH 0/2] PM: Rearrange core suspend code Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-06 22:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/2] PM: Separate suspend to RAM functionality from core Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-08  6:36   ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-06 22:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/2] PM/Hibernate: Rename disk.c to hibernate.c Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-08  6:37   ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-07 20:51 ` [linux-pm] [RFC][PATCH 0/2] PM: Rearrange core suspend code Alan Stern
2009-06-07 21:46   ` Run-time PM idea (was: Re: [linux-pm] [RFC][PATCH 0/2] PM: Rearrange core suspend code) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-07 22:02     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-07 22:05     ` [linux-pm] Run-time PM idea (was: " Oliver Neukum
2009-06-08 11:29       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-08 12:04         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-08 18:34           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-09  7:25             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-09 14:33               ` Alan Stern
2009-06-09 14:48                 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-09 22:44               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-08 20:35         ` Alan Stern
2009-06-08 21:31           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-09  2:49             ` Alan Stern
2009-06-09 22:57               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-10  8:29                 ` [patch update] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-10 14:20                   ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-10 19:27                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-10 21:38                       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-10 22:01                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-10 23:07                           ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-10 23:42                             ` Alan Stern
2009-06-11 13:48                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-11 13:57                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-11 14:16                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-06-11 19:38                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-11 13:46                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-10 21:14                   ` Alan Stern
2009-06-10 21:31                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-10 23:15                       ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-11  5:27                         ` Magnus Damm
2009-06-10 23:42                       ` Alan Stern
2009-06-11 14:17                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-11 14:52                           ` Alan Stern
2009-06-11 15:06                             ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2009-06-11 15:22                               ` Alan Stern
2009-06-11 16:05                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-11 18:36                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-06-11 21:05                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-12  2:16                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-06-12  8:15                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-12 14:32                                           ` Alan Stern
2009-06-12 19:09                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-12 19:48                                               ` Alan Stern
2009-06-12 19:56                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-12 21:23                                                   ` Alan Stern
2009-06-12 23:06                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-13 18:08                                                       ` Alan Stern
2009-06-13 22:04                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-11 19:43                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-12 14:25                               ` Alan Stern
2009-06-11  5:18                   ` Magnus Damm
2009-06-11  9:08                     ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-12  3:13                       ` Magnus Damm
2009-06-12  8:11                         ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-12 10:54                           ` Magnus Damm
2009-06-10 20:48                 ` Alan Stern
2009-06-10 21:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-09  7:31             ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-09 23:02               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-08  6:54     ` Run-time PM idea (was: Re: [linux-pm] " Ingo Molnar
2009-06-08 11:30       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-06-08 13:05         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-08 13:11           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-08 13:22             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-08 13:32               ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-08 13:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-08 13:54                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-08 14:24                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-08 14:35                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-08 14:44                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-08 14:51                           ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-24 15:03                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-06-19  1:50                         ` Run-time PM idea (was: " Robert Hancock
2009-06-08 13:58                   ` Run-time PM idea (was: Re: [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2009-06-08 13:39               ` Oliver Neukum
2009-06-08 13:44                 ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-08 14:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-08 14:30                   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-08 15:06                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-08 15:11                       ` Matthew Garrett
2009-06-08 16:29                       ` Ray Lee
2009-06-09 22:44                   ` Jiri Kosina

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