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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, sds@tycho.nsa.gov,
	jmorris@namei.org, spender@grsecurity.net, dwalsh@redhat.com,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, arjan@infradead.org, kyle@mcmartin.ca,
	cpardy@redhat.com, arnd@arndb.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] VM/SELinux: require CAP_SYS_RAWIO for all mmap_zero operations
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:04:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090721160437.5bda68b4@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090721144157.14159.23439.stgit@paris.rdu.redhat.com>

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:41:58 -0400
Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com> wrote:

> Currently non-SELinux systems need CAP_SYS_RAWIO for an application to mmap
> the 0 page.  On SELinux systems they need a specific SELinux permission,
> but do not need CAP_SYS_RAWIO.  This has proved to be a poor decision by
> the SELinux team as, by default, SELinux users are logged in unconfined and
> thus a malicious non-root has nothing stopping them from mapping the 0 page
> of virtual memory.

So the poor decision is in fact that the SELinux users start as
unconfined rather than taking away a few things like the the min map
stuff which can then be given back to specific apps.

> On a non-SELinux system, a malicious non-root user is unable to do this, as
> they need CAP_SYS_RAWIO.
> 
> This patch checks CAP_SYS_RAWIO for all operations which attemt to map a
> page below mmap_min_addr.

So "wine" now needs to run with CAP_SYS_RAWIO or you turn all the
security off.

Am I missing something here, this "solution" sounds completely brain
dead ?

Alan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-21 15:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-21 14:41 Eric Paris
2009-07-21 14:42 ` [PATCH 2/2] SELinux: selinux_file_mmap always enforce mapping the 0 page Eric Paris
2009-07-21 15:04 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2009-07-21 15:18   ` [PATCH 1/2] VM/SELinux: require CAP_SYS_RAWIO for all mmap_zero operations Eric Paris
2009-07-21 15:38     ` Alan Cox
2009-07-21 15:57       ` Eric Paris
2009-07-21 16:09         ` Alan Cox
2009-07-21 16:23           ` Eric Paris
2009-07-21 16:30             ` Alan Cox
2009-07-29 15:06       ` Pavel Machek

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