From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755092AbZHFMFV (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:05:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1752800AbZHFMFU (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:05:20 -0400 Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.32]:1174 "EHLO smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751528AbZHFMFT (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:05:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:04:51 +0200 From: Erik Mouw To: Pavel Machek Cc: Russell King , kernel list , davem@davemloft.net Subject: Re: linux-arm-kernel useless for development (was Re: Your message to Linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval) Message-ID: <20090806140451.0ef85619@nij0285> In-Reply-To: <20090806110246.GI31370@elf.ucw.cz> References: <20090804100051.GA17106@elf.ucw.cz> <20090804222840.GC18365@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20090806100700.GC31370@elf.ucw.cz> <20090806104421.GA27773@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20090806110246.GI31370@elf.ucw.cz> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.6.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/iFwVz1LlX39+2BAD_jHMg1O"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --Sig_/iFwVz1LlX39+2BAD_jHMg1O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:02:47 +0200 Pavel Machek wrote: > On Thu 2009-08-06 11:44:21, Russell King wrote: >=20 > > It appears the answer to that is no. People are free to subscribe > > to the one on vger, where they won't have to "put up" with me. > > However, it seems that people much prefer to subscribe to my lists, > > because that seems to be where the expertise is. > >=20 > > Moreover, > >=20 > > (a) when ever you have a problem, you go shouting and making public > > accusations without trying first to resolve the problem in private. >=20 > When I tried asking in private, I was told to stop complaining or > loose my mailing list subscription. I'd prefer not to make that > mistake again. I can't comment on that one. I have to admit I have been busy (both private and at work) lately, so I haven't been able to spend as much time on list maintenance as I would like to. >=20 > > (c) you really don't understand that "held for moderation" is *not* > > rejection, but merely a case of mailman spotting something it > > doesn't like and letting a *human* deal with it rather than > > out-right rejecting it. >=20 > For lakml, held for moderation _does_ mean it will return with > "posting rejected: no reason given" in few days. I have never seen any > other result, and have got perfectly reasonable messages rejected with > "no reason". So no, I do not believe there's cooperative human being > moderating lakml. That's not true. For every message I reject I always explain the reason. Most of the time it is "Please subcribe before you're allowed to post". > > I wonder, do you even know what happened to the message you're > > whinging about? Would you prefer that your message was silently > > dropped into /dev/null instead of having a chance of the issue > > being resolved? It strikes me that _that_ would be a better > > solution than all your whinging. >=20 > So... your solution to broken mailing list is to silence everyone who > complains? No, if you asked us in private, it would already be solved. I just increased the max_num_recipients from the default 15 to 30. That should solve your problem. Regards, Erik --=20 Erik Mouw -- mouw@nl.linux.org GPG key fingerprint: D6AC 7F15 A26E C5C4 62E0 4A58 FCF9 551C 9B48 B68D --Sig_/iFwVz1LlX39+2BAD_jHMg1O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkp6xuMACgkQ/PlVHJtIto2gMACeKIwP+nw16my8ep2CZchVFaGN oLcAnRT3DuuFXsjhCyZmJC0PiMi3C47W =hCcT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/iFwVz1LlX39+2BAD_jHMg1O--