From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753925AbZHMKit (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:38:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753435AbZHMKir (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:38:47 -0400 Received: from caramon.arm.linux.org.uk ([78.32.30.218]:57856 "EHLO caramon.arm.linux.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753091AbZHMKip (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:38:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:35:13 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux To: Joe Perches Cc: Alan Cox , Pekka Enberg , Pavel Machek , Ben Dooks , linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk, David John , Erik Mouw , kernel list , Andrew Morton , David Miller , Krzysztof Halasa Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add "L: linux-arm@vger.kernel.org" to ARM sections Message-ID: <20090813103513.GC6132@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> References: <1249568614.10297.20.camel@Joe-Laptop.home> <20090806150322.GX2080@trinity.fluff.org> <1249948147.8895.96.camel@Joe-Laptop.home> <20090812115520.GI24339@elf.ucw.cz> <20090812194838.GB12117@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> <84144f020908121317g64551a2cu1b960f44ed5d0d9@mail.gmail.com> <20090812212502.GA24667@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> <20090813103511.2928a085@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20090813094736.GZ6132@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> <1250158593.28285.23.camel@Joe-Laptop.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1250158593.28285.23.camel@Joe-Laptop.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 03:16:33AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote: > On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 10:47 +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote: > > These lists have _TWO_ admins. Fact: Everyone only talks to me > > about problems with these lists. Fact: they do not copy Erik. > > Erik isn't listed in MAINTAINERS. You are. > Erik doesn't post much to lkml. You do. Is Matti, who also looks after vger, in MAINTAINERS ? Given your position above, don't you think he should be, so that when people have a problem with LKML they can email him? I think you're not understanding me (Alan seems to have made the same mistake). Please note that I was talking about the _admin_ side not the actual useful ARM traffic side. > > Humans are, at the end of the day, bone idle lazy creatures. > > Which is why we invent tools to work for us. > > Humans tend to reuse and improve the tools that work best. > Your ARM based mail tool has caused some to do more work > than they would like, so they would like to use a better > tool. So instead you'd like me to do more work by having to service peoples requests about how to subscribe and unsubscribe from a mailing list which I don't run? I invented a tool for that. It's called "running my own mailing list." > I believe very few care very much if vger.kernel.org or > arm.linux.org.uk is the list server. I don't. I just > want my email to get through. > > And I still don't want to subscribe. And... have your emails been held for moderation recently? This one was: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090806.142334.73be8efd.en.html These (subsequent) ones weren't: http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090806.151424.0228a1eb.en.html http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090806.161848.fb390ccd.en.html http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090806.165331.aeb0c29b.en.html http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090810.234907.a080c816.en.html http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090813.011852.5ebd9da5.en.html http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20090813.085937.87e2f189.en.html > Reduce the probability of forwarding spam, open the list, > remove "(subscribers-only)" from the ARM MAINTAINERS entries > and I'd be good-to-go. I feel we're covering old ground here (see the earlier bits of this thread.)