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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Matteo Croce <technoboy85@gmail.com>,
	Sven-Haegar Koch <haegar@sdinet.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: i686 quirk for AMD Geode
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:03:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091111080313.GB24569@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091110211259.GD26633@1wt.eu>


> (...)
> > > CMOV/NOPL are rarely used, thus have no reason to cause a massive
> > > performance drop, but are frequent enough (at least cmov) for almost
> > 
> > *One* CMOV in the inner loop will make your performance go down 20x.
> 
> yes, just like with emulated FPU or trapped unaligned accesses. It's
> just like flying fishes. They exist but they aren't the most common
> ones. If people encounter these cases on a specific program, then
> they just have to recompile it if it is a problem. At least they
> don't rebuild the whole distro. And once again, I've been using
> cmpxchg/bswap emulation for years on my i386 without feeling any
> need for a rebuild, and CMOV emulation for years now on my mini-itx 

And did you set cpu family to 6 for your 386?

That's the part I was objecting most. Yes, you can emulate, but
emulation is very bad for performance... so don't lie about cpu
family.

(Imagine application that has NOPL in inner loop, for performance
reasons. You want to use version _without_ the NOPL on processors that
lack it.)

So... I don't like instruction emulation, but can live with it. But
don't lie about supported instructions in /proc as original patch did.

								Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-11  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-03  2:12 Matteo Croce
2009-10-03  2:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-03  3:08   ` Matteo Croce
2009-10-03  2:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-03  7:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-03  9:53   ` Matteo Croce
2009-10-03 14:12     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-10-03 14:56       ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-06 14:59   ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-06 16:44     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-06 22:18       ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-07  0:49         ` Alan Cox
2009-11-08 17:37         ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 17:40           ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 18:10             ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 18:13               ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 19:29               ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2009-11-08 19:36                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 19:47                   ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 19:51                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 20:08                       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-10  5:27                         ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10  6:02                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 10:41                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-10 10:56                               ` Alan Cox
2009-11-10 17:08                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 17:24                                   ` Alan Cox
2009-11-10 18:49                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 19:50                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-10 20:01                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 20:16                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 20:25                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 20:34                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 20:54                                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-10 21:12                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 21:19                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:06                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 22:15                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:20                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-10 22:42                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 22:47                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-11  5:52                                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11  6:15                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-11  6:36                                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11  7:57                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-11  9:32                                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-12  2:23                                                                       ` Matt Thrailkill
2009-11-12  5:27                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-12  5:31                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-12  5:40                                                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-23 19:27                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-23 19:35                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-23 20:03                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-11-11 10:03                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-11  8:17                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-10 22:21                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11 10:21                                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-11-11 10:43                                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11 16:15                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:27                                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-10 22:29                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:34                                                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-10 22:38                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:54                                                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-11  8:03                                                 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2009-11-11  9:35                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-10 21:21                                               ` Matt Thrailkill
2009-11-10 21:26                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 22:01                                               ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-10 22:10                                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-11 10:54                                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2009-11-12  0:51                                       ` Daniel Pittman
2009-11-12  1:00                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-10 16:29                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-08 19:46                 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 19:50                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-08 20:41                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-08 18:42       ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-09 20:16         ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-09 21:03           ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-09 21:17           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-09 21:23             ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-12 12:18               ` Pavel Machek
2009-11-13  2:03                 ` Andres Salomon
2009-11-13 10:50                 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-13 16:23                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-13 16:57                   ` Alan Cox
2009-11-13 19:24                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-13 21:21                       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-16 17:50                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-17 11:59                           ` Alan Cox
2009-11-17 14:34                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-17 16:43                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-17 17:10                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-17 16:48                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-11-17 17:25                               ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-17 17:33                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-17 18:33                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-18 20:21                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-18 20:59                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-18 21:11                                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-19  0:41                                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-13  5:55               ` Yuhong Bao
2009-11-13 16:24                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-13 13:33               ` Pádraig Brady
2009-11-13 16:25                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-11-08 17:35     ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-03 18:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-03 22:04   ` Matteo Croce
2009-10-03 22:32     ` Gabor Gombas
2009-10-03 22:54       ` Matteo Croce
2009-10-04  7:29         ` Gabor Gombas
2009-10-04  2:25     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-10-04 14:58       ` Alan Cox
2009-11-09 21:14         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-06 15:49 Martin Schleier
2009-11-06 15:59 ` Alan Cox
2009-11-06 16:42   ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-06 16:57   ` Martin Schleier
2009-11-06 18:22     ` Alan Cox
2009-11-06 20:06       ` Martin Schleier
     [not found]         ` <20091106210259.290b281a@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
2009-11-06 22:33           ` Martin Schleier
2009-11-06 23:05         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-07  0:05           ` Martin Schleier
2009-11-07 10:37             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2009-11-07 11:11             ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08  2:14               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-08 16:05               ` Andres Salomon
2009-11-08 18:04                 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 18:46                   ` Andres Salomon
2009-11-08 18:22                 ` Matteo Croce
2009-11-08 18:47                   ` Andres Salomon
2009-11-10  5:58                     ` Willy Tarreau
2009-11-08 22:10 H. Peter Anvin
2009-11-09  0:22 ` Alan Cox

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