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From: Shawn Bohrer <shawn.bohrer@gmail.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: High scheduler wake up times
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:35:49 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100131003549.GC27390@mediacenter.gateway.2wire.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100130161114.07278221@infradead.org>

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 04:11:14PM -0800, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:45:51 -0600
> Shawn Bohrer <shawn.bohrer@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Currently we have a workload that depends on around 50 processes that
> > wake up 1000 times a second do a small amount of work and go back to
> > sleep.  This works great on RHEL 5 (2.6.18-164.6.1.el5), but on recent
> > kernels we are unable to achieve 1000 iterations per second.  Using
> > the simple test application below on RHEL 5 2.6.18-164.6.1.el5 I can
> > run 500 of these processes on and still achieve 999.99 iterations per
> > second.  Running just 10 of these processes on the same machine with
> > 2.6.32.6 produces results like:
> > ]
> 
> there's an issue with your expectation btw.
> what your application does, in practice is
> 
> <wait 1 millisecond>
> <do a bunch of work>
> <wait 1 millisecond>
> <do a bunch of work>
> etc
> 
> you would only be able to get close to 1000 per second if "bunch of
> work" is nothing.....but it isn't.
> so lets assume "bunch of work" is 100 microseconds.. the basic period
> of your program (ignoring any costs/overhead in the implementation) 
> is 1.1 milliseconds, which is approximately 909 per second, not 1000!
> 
> I suspect that the 1000 you get on RHEL5 is a bug in the RHEL5 kernel
> where it gives you a shorter delay than what you asked for; since it's
> clearly not a correct number to get.
> 
> (and yes, older kernels had such rounding bugs, current kernels go
> through great length to give applications *exactly* the delay they are
> asking for....)

I agree that we are currently depending on a bug in epoll.  The epoll
implementation currently rounds up to the next jiffie, so specifying a
timeout of 1 ms really just wakes the process up at the next timer tick.
I have a patch to fix epoll by converting it to use
schedule_hrtimeout_range() that I'll gladly send, but I still need a way
to achieve the same thing.

--
Shawn

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-31  0:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-30 23:45 Shawn Bohrer
2010-01-30 23:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-31  0:29   ` Shawn Bohrer
2010-01-31  0:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-31  0:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-31  0:35   ` Shawn Bohrer [this message]
2010-01-31  0:46     ` Shawn Bohrer
2010-01-31  0:47     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-31  3:47       ` Shawn Bohrer
2010-01-31 18:28         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-31 20:50           ` Shawn Bohrer
2010-02-01  8:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 19:37         ` Shawn Bohrer

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