From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Hitoshi Mitake <mitake@dcl.info.waseda.ac.jp>,
Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/11] tracing/perf: Fix lock events recursions in the fast path
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:49:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100205104937.GB29515@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1265363441.22001.300.camel@laptop>
* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 10:45 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 10:38 +0800, Lai Jiangshan wrote:
> > > Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:14:34AM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > >> There are rcu locked read side areas in the path where we submit
> > > >> a trace events. And these rcu_read_(un)lock() trigger lock events,
> > > >> which create recursive events.
> > > >>
> > > >> One pair in do_perf_sw_event:
> > > >>
> > > >> __lock_acquire
> > > >> |
> > > >> |--96.11%-- lock_acquire
> > > >> | |
> > > >> | |--27.21%-- do_perf_sw_event
> > > >> | | perf_tp_event
> > > >> | | |
> > > >> | | |--49.62%-- ftrace_profile_lock_release
> > > >> | | | lock_release
> > > >> | | | |
> > > >> | | | |--33.85%-- _raw_spin_unlock
> > > >>
> > > >> Another pair in perf_output_begin/end:
> > > >>
> > > >> __lock_acquire
> > > >> |--23.40%-- perf_output_begin
> > > >> | | __perf_event_overflow
> > > >> | | perf_swevent_overflow
> > > >> | | perf_swevent_add
> > > >> | | perf_swevent_ctx_event
> > > >> | | do_perf_sw_event
> > > >> | | perf_tp_event
> > > >> | | |
> > > >> | | |--55.37%-- ftrace_profile_lock_acquire
> > > >> | | | lock_acquire
> > > >> | | | |
> > > >> | | | |--37.31%-- _raw_spin_lock
> > > >>
> > > >> The problem is not that much the trace recursion itself, as we have a
> > > >> recursion protection already (though it's always wasteful to recurse).
> > > >> But the trace events are outside the lockdep recursion protection, then
> > > >> each lockdep event triggers a lock trace, which will trigger two
> > > >> other lockdep events. Here the recursive lock trace event won't
> > > >> be taken because of the trace recursion, so the recursion stops there
> > > >> but lockdep will still analyse these new events:
> > > >>
> > > >> To sum up, for each lockdep events we have:
> > > >>
> > > >> lock_*()
> > > >> |
> > > >> trace lock_acquire
> > > >> |
> > > >> ----- rcu_read_lock()
> > > >> | |
> > > >> | lock_acquire()
> > > >> | |
> > > >> | trace_lock_acquire() (stopped)
> > > >> | |
> > > >> | lockdep analyze
> > > >> |
> > > >> ----- rcu_read_unlock()
> > > >> |
> > > >> lock_release
> > > >> |
> > > >> trace_lock_release() (stopped)
> > > >> |
> > > >> lockdep analyze
> > > >>
> > > >> And you can repeat the above two times as we have two rcu read side
> > > >> sections when we submit an event.
> > > >>
> > > >> This is fixed in this pacth by using the non-lockdep versions of
> > > >> rcu_read_(un)lock.
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm... Perhaps I should rename __rcu_read_lock() to something more
> > > > meaningful if it is to be used outside of the RCU files. In the
> > > > meantime:
> > > >
> > > > Reviewed-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps we can use the existed rcu_read_lock_sched_notrace().
> > >
> > > not relate to this patchset, but RCU & lockdep:
> > >
> > > We need to remove lockdep from rcu_read_lock_*().
> >
> > I'm not at all convinced we need to do any such thing, remember its
> > debugging stuff, performance, while nice, doesn't really count.
>
> That said, I'm not at all happy about removing lockdep annotations to make
> the tracer faster, that's really counter productive.
Are there no dynamic techniques that could be used here?
Lockdep obviously wants maximum instrumentation coverage - performance be
damned.
Lock profiling/tracing/visualization wants the minimum subset of events it is
interested in - everything else is unnecessary overhead.
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-05 10:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-03 9:14 [RFC GIT PULL] perf/trace/lock optimization/scalability improvements Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 01/11] tracing: Add lock_class_init event Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 02/11] tracing: Introduce TRACE_EVENT_INJECT Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-05 14:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 15:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-06 12:20 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-06 13:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-10 10:04 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-10 14:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-11 18:57 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-11 19:23 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 03/11] tracing: Inject lock_class_init events on registration Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-05 14:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-05 14:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 14:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 04/11] tracing: Add lock class id in lock_acquire event Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 05/11] perf: New PERF_EVENT_IOC_INJECT ioctl Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:19 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 06/11] perf: Handle injection ioctl with trace events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 07/11] perf: Handle injection iotcl for tracepoints from perf record Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 08/11] perf/lock: Add support for lock_class_init events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 09/11] tracing: Remove the lock name from most lock events Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 10/11] tracing/perf: Fix lock events recursions in the fast path Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04 15:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-02-05 2:38 ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-02-05 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 10:49 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-02-05 12:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 12:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-05 13:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 11:12 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-06 11:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 11:40 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-06 14:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-06 16:10 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-07 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-10 10:17 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-28 22:24 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 9:14 ` [PATCH 11/11] perf lock: Drop the buffers multiplexing dependency Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:25 ` [RFC GIT PULL] perf/trace/lock optimization/scalability improvements Jens Axboe
2010-02-03 20:50 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 21:21 ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-03 22:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04 19:40 ` Jens Axboe
2010-02-06 10:37 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-03 21:26 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-03 10:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-03 22:07 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-02-04 6:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-07 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-10 10:49 ` Frederic Weisbecker
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