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From: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rusty@rustcorp.com.au,
	sivanich@sgi.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	peterz@infradead.org, dipankar@in.ibm.com, josh@freedesktop.org,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] stop_machine: reimplement using cpuhog
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 20:37:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100308193737.GA2466@osiris.boeblingen.de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100308182708.GA8504@redhat.com>

On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 07:27:08PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 03/08, Heiko Carstens wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 12:53:21AM +0900, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > >
> > > diff --git a/arch/s390/kernel/time.c b/arch/s390/kernel/time.c
> > > index 65065ac..afe429e 100644
> > > --- a/arch/s390/kernel/time.c
> > > +++ b/arch/s390/kernel/time.c
> > > @@ -397,7 +397,6 @@ static void __init time_init_wq(void)
> > >  	if (time_sync_wq)
> > >  		return;
> > >  	time_sync_wq = create_singlethread_workqueue("timesync");
> > > -	stop_machine_create();
> > >  }
> > >
> > >  /*
> >
> > The reason we introduced stop_machine_create/destroy was to have a non-failing
> > variant that doesn't rely on I/O.
> > If we ever see a timesync machine check no I/O will succeed (it blocks) until
> > clocks have been synchronized. That means also that we rely on the non-blocking
> > semantics that those functions must have that are called via stop_machine.
> > This isn't true anymore with the cpu hog infrastructure:
> > if passed a blocking function that could wait on I/O we won't see any progress
> > anymore and the machine is dead.
> 
> Could you please spell?
> 
> How cpuhog can make a difference? Afaics, we shouldn't pass a blocking callback
> to hog_cpus/hog_one_cpu.

Well, it might me true that this shouldn't be done. But I don't see a reason why
in general it wouldn't work to pass a function that would block.
So it's just a matter of time until somebody uses it for such a purpose.
For the current stop_machine implementation it would be broken to pass a blocking
function (preemption disabled, interrupts disabled).

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-08 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-08 15:53 [PATCHSET] cpuhog: implement and use cpuhog Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 15:53 ` [PATCH 1/4] cpuhog: implement cpuhog Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 19:01   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-03-08 23:18     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 15:53 ` [PATCH 2/4] stop_machine: reimplement using cpuhog Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 16:32   ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-03-08 23:21     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 17:10   ` Heiko Carstens
2010-03-08 18:27     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-03-08 19:37       ` Heiko Carstens [this message]
2010-03-08 23:39         ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-09  7:09           ` Heiko Carstens
2010-03-09  7:16             ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 19:06   ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-03-08 23:22     ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 15:53 ` [PATCH 3/4] scheduler: replace migration_thread with cpuhog Tejun Heo
2010-03-08 15:53 ` [PATCH 4/4] scheduler: kill paranoia check in synchronize_sched_expedited() Tejun Heo
2010-03-10 19:25 ` [PATCHSET] cpuhog: implement and use cpuhog Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-12  3:13   ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-29  6:46     ` Rusty Russell
2010-03-29  9:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-02  5:45       ` Tejun Heo
2010-03-17  8:40 [PATCHSET sched/core] cpuhog: implement and use cpuhog, take#2 Tejun Heo
2010-03-17  8:40 ` [PATCH 2/4] stop_machine: reimplement using cpuhog Tejun Heo

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