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From: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>
To: Eric Paris <eparis@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Michael Kerrisk <michael.kerrisk@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] notification tree: directory events
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:16:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201008201416.10679.agruen@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1282275497.21419.2073.camel@acb20005.ipt.aol.com>

On Friday 20 August 2010 05:38:17 Eric Paris wrote:
> As to when a listener dies:  You have to define 'dies'.

I meant a process that gets killed or simply exits while there are outstanding 
perm events.  Nothing in the code would wake up the processes blocked on the 
perm event; they will simply be stuck forever.  (They cannot even be killed 
with SIGKILL.)

This is easy to reproduce with a listener that is killed while processing a 
perm event: just run the fanotify example [1] with the new -s option and hit 
^C while it is sleeping.

Bonus points would be awarded to make a process blocked on a listener killable 
with SIGKILL or other lethal signals.

[1] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/agruen/fanotify-example.git

The listener will also hang forever in that case; not sure why that is the 
case.

I already told you about this before (http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/8/16/349); not 
sure why everything needs to repeated multiple times until it sinks in.

> If the process just stops respond it is supposed to lock forever.

I agree.

> I was explicitly ask to remove timeouts (even though I've already been ask
> off list to put them back)

I disagree with putting timeouts back in.

> In Linus' tree there is a race in which both processes (the
> listener and the process doing an action waiting on the listener) can
> deadlock and hang forever.  A (much less racy but not right) patch to
> fix this has already been posted.
>
> I have a better version which has worked well for me today which I will
> likely post tomorrow morning after I look over it again.  I'd love your
> feedback.

Do you have a pointer to that?

Thanks,
Andreas

      parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-20 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-06 15:58 [GIT PULL] notification tree - try 37! Eric Paris
2010-08-06 23:34 ` Matt Helsley
2010-08-07  0:06   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-07 19:15     ` Eric Paris
2010-08-07 20:55       ` Matt Helsley
2010-08-16 20:32       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-17  3:39         ` Eric Paris
2010-08-17  4:03           ` Matt Helsley
2010-08-17  8:09           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-17 15:08             ` Eric Paris
2010-08-19 20:24               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-19 20:32                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-19 20:42                 ` Eric Paris
2010-08-19 21:07                   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-19 21:22                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-20  3:50                     ` Eric Paris
2010-08-20 12:38                       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-23 16:46                         ` Eric Paris
2010-08-23 22:38                           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-20  0:00             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-17  8:38           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-17 15:24             ` Eric Paris
2010-08-17 15:48               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-18 14:18               ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-17  9:45           ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-08-17 10:01             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-17 10:12               ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-08-17 10:55                 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-08-17 15:27                   ` Eric Paris
2010-08-18 15:47         ` [GIT PULL] notification tree: directory events Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-18 15:59           ` Eric Paris
2010-08-18 16:42             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-18 17:07               ` Eric Paris
2010-08-19 12:44             ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-19 15:00               ` Eric Paris
2010-08-19 23:41                 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-20  3:38                   ` Eric Paris
2010-08-20  5:19                     ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-20  9:21                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-20 15:29                         ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-20 20:39                           ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-20  9:09                     ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2010-08-20 11:07                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-20 11:25                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2010-08-20 12:16                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher [this message]

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