From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754398Ab0IHUvs (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:51:48 -0400 Received: from earthlight.etchedpixels.co.uk ([81.2.110.250]:56514 "EHLO www.etchedpixels.co.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754142Ab0IHUvp (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:51:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:11:44 +0100 From: Alan Cox To: Nick Lowe Cc: Hans-Peter Jansen , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: AMD Geode NOPL emulation for kernel 2.6.36-rc2 Message-ID: <20100908221144.73066e2d@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <55BC9463-95B9-4034-AA1E-55042D6E9354@gmail.com> <201009081115.15544.hpj@urpla.net> <20100908185605.55671889@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <20100908200715.2e56d0be@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.18.9; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > 1) Those enterprise long term distributions aren't going to be > targeting the Crusoe or Geode. It's not their market. Would they even See this is the problem. You've forgotten *users*. It's easy to roll a special kernel, its hell on earth > back port, therefore, if it was an issue? > (This hypothetical anyway as it assuming they have an i686 targeted > build already. Who does? Centos, RHEL and SUSE Enterprise are all i386 > targeted at the moment for x86.) Wrong for some packages - and enough to break things. Bits like glibc for example and chunks of X and proprietary apps. >. (Again, hypothetical, as they're not targeted at i686!) See above > 4) As for proprietary apps, again, is it likely that they're targeting > i686 already? Or is it far more likely they're compiled for i386 et. > al. Lots used -i686 because the compiler people said its faster and it works on all 686 platforms. Neither of which it turns out is exactly true in many cases. > 6) What we are talking about is future distributions, whatever they > are, that are now or are changing to target i686 which end users will > ultimately want to migrate to and run. s/we/you Getting the stuff right in the current kernel makes it easier to backport and fix and do tidily. It's not as if NOPL is complicated to emulate.