From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>
To: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Cc: Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
"Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>,
linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Keith Mannthey <kmannth@us.ibm.com>,
Mingming Cao <mcao@us.ibm.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
hch@lst.de, Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Performance testing of various barrier reduction patches [was: Re: [RFC v4] ext4: Coordinate fsync requests]
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:20:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101011202020.GF25624@tux1.beaverton.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CAF937C.4020500@redhat.com>
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 05:56:12PM -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote:
> On 10/08/2010 05:26 PM, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 04:01:11PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
>>> Other than those regressions, the jbd2 fsync coordination is about as fast as
>>> sending the flush directly from ext4. Unfortunately, where there _are_
>>> regressions they seem rather large, which makes this approach (as implemented,
>>> anyway) less attractive. Perhaps there is a better way to do it?
>> Hmm, not much chatter for two weeks. Either I've confused everyone with the
>> humongous spreadsheet, or ... something?
>>
>> I've performed some more extensive performance and safety testing with the
>> fsync coordination patch. The results have been merged into the spreadsheet
>> that I linked to in the last email, though in general the results have not
>> really changed much at all.
>>
>> I see two trends happening here with regards to comparing the use of jbd2 to
>> coordinate the flushes vs. measuring and coodinating flushes directly in ext4.
>> The first is that for loads that most benefit from having any kind of fsync
>> coordination (i.e. storage with slow flushes), the jbd2 approach provides the
>> same or slightly better performance than the direct approach. However, for
>> storage with fast flushes, the jbd2 approach seems to cause major slowdowns
>> even compared to not changing any code at all. To me this would suggest that
>> ext4 needs to coordinate the fsyncs directly, even at a higher code maintenance
>> cost, because a huge performance regression isn't good.
>>
>> Other people in my group have been running their own performance comparisons
>> between no-coordination, jbd2-coordination, and direct-coordination, and what
>> I'm hearing is tha the direct-coordination mode is slightly faster than jbd2
>> coordination, though either are better than no coordination at all. Happily, I
>> haven't seen an increase in fsck complaints in my poweroff testing.
>>
>> Given the nearness of the merge window, perhaps we ought to discuss this on
>> Monday's ext4 call? In the meantime I'll clean up the fsync coordination patch
>> so that it doesn't have so many debugging knobs and whistles.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --D
>
> Hi Darrick,
>
> We have been busily testing various combinations at Red Hat (we being not
> me :)), but here is one test that we used a long time back to validate
> the batching impact.
>
> You need a slow, poky S-ATA drive - the slower it spins, the better.
>
> A single fs_mark run against that drive should drive some modest number
> of files/sec with 1 thread:
>
>
> [root@tunkums /]# fs_mark -s 20480 -n 500 -L 5 -d /test/foo
>
> On my disk, I see:
>
> 5 500 20480 31.8 6213
>
> Now run with 4 threads to give the code a chance to coalesce.
>
> On my box, I see it jump up:
>
> 5 2000 20480 113.0 25092
>
> And at 8 threads it jumps again:
>
> 5 4000 20480 179.0 49480
>
> This work load is very device specific. On a very low latency device
> (arrays, high performance SSD), the coalescing "wait" time could be
> slower than just dispatching the command. Ext3/4 work done by Josef a few
> years back was meant to use high res timers to dynamically adjust that
> wait to avoid slowing down.
Yeah, elm3c65 and elm3c75 in that spreadsheet are a new pokey SATA disk and a
really old IDE disk, which ought to represent the low end case. elm3c44-sas is
a midrange storage server... which doesn't like the patch so much.
--D
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-11 20:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-29 23:51 [RFC] ext4: Don't send extra barrier during fsync if there are no dirty pages Darrick J. Wong
2010-05-04 0:57 ` Mingming Cao
2010-05-04 14:16 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-05-04 15:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-30 12:48 ` tytso
2010-06-30 13:21 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-06-30 13:44 ` tytso
2010-06-30 13:54 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-06-30 19:05 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-07-21 17:16 ` Jan Kara
2010-08-03 0:09 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-03 9:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-04 18:16 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-03 13:21 ` Jan Kara
2010-08-03 13:24 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-04 23:32 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-05 2:20 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-05 16:17 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-05 19:13 ` Jeff Moyer
2010-08-05 20:39 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-05 20:44 ` Jeff Moyer
2010-05-04 19:49 ` Mingming Cao
2010-06-29 20:51 ` [RFC v2] " Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-05 16:40 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-05 16:45 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-06 7:04 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-06 10:17 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-08-09 19:53 ` [RFC v3] ext4: Combine barrier requests coming from fsync Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-09 21:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-16 16:14 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-19 2:07 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-19 8:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-19 9:17 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-19 15:48 ` Tejun Heo
2010-08-09 21:19 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-09 23:38 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-19 2:14 ` [RFC v4] ext4: Coordinate fsync requests Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-23 18:31 ` Performance testing of various barrier reduction patches [was: Re: [RFC v4] ext4: Coordinate fsync requests] Darrick J. Wong
2010-09-23 23:25 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-09-24 6:24 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-09-24 11:44 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-09-27 23:01 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-10-08 21:26 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-10-08 21:56 ` Ric Wheeler
2010-10-11 20:20 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2010-10-12 14:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-15 23:39 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-10-15 23:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-16 0:02 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-10-11 14:33 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-18 22:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2010-10-19 18:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-06 7:13 ` [RFC v2] ext4: Don't send extra barrier during fsync if there are no dirty pages Darrick J. Wong
2010-08-06 18:04 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-08-09 19:36 ` Darrick J. Wong
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