From: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Michael Holzheu <holzheu@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Shailabh Nagar <nagar1234@in.ibm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>,
Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
John stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
"jeremy.fitzhardinge" <jeremy.fitzhardinge@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 4/7] taskstats: Add per task steal time accounting
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:51:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101116095101.5d86d1e5@mschwide.boeblingen.de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1289844524.2109.524.camel@laptop>
On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:08:44 +0100
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 18:59 +0100, Martin Schwidefsky wrote:
> > Steal time per task is at least good for performance problem analysis.
> > Sometimes knowing what is not the cause of a performance problem can help you
> > tremendously. If a task is slow and has no steal time, well then the hypervisor
> > is likely not the culprit. On the other hand if you do see lots of steal time
> > for a task while the rest of the system doesn't cause any steal time can tell
> > you something as well. That task might hit a specific function which causes
> > hypervisor overhead. The usefulness depends on the situation, it is another
> > data point which may or may not help you.
>
> If performance analysis is the only reason, why not add a tracepoint on
> vcpu enter that reports the duration the vcpu was out for and use perf
> to gather said data? It can tell you what process was running and what
> instruction it was at when the vcpu went away.
>
> No need to add 40 bytes per task for that.
Which vcpu enter? We usually have z/VM as our hypervisor and want to be able
to do performance analysis with the data we gather inside the guest. There
is no vcpu enter we could put a tracepoint on. We would have to put tracepoints
on every possible interaction point with z/VM to get this data. To me it seems
a lot simpler to add the per-task steal time.
And if it is really the additional 40 bytes on x86 that bother you so much,
we could put them behind #ifdef CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNTING. There already
is one in the task_struct for prev_utime and prev_stime.
--
blue skies,
Martin.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-16 8:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-11 17:03 [RFC][PATCH v2 0/7] taskstats: Enhancements for precise process accounting (version 2) Michael Holzheu
2010-11-11 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 1/7] taskstats: Add new taskstats command TASKSTATS_CMD_ATTR_PIDS Michael Holzheu
2010-11-13 19:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 15:53 ` Michael Holzheu
2010-11-15 16:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 17:09 ` Michael Holzheu
2010-11-15 17:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 12:16 ` Michael Holzheu
2010-11-16 12:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-13 19:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-13 20:00 ` Balbir Singh
2010-11-15 14:50 ` Michael Holzheu
2010-11-11 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 2/7] taskstats: Add "/proc/taskstats" Michael Holzheu
2010-11-11 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 3/7] taskstats: Add thread group ID to taskstats structure Michael Holzheu
2010-11-11 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 4/7] taskstats: Add per task steal time accounting Michael Holzheu
2010-11-13 19:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 14:50 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-15 15:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 17:42 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-15 17:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 17:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 17:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 17:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 17:59 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-15 18:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 8:51 ` Martin Schwidefsky [this message]
2010-11-16 12:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 15:33 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-16 15:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 16:05 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-16 18:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-11-16 16:38 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-16 16:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 16:56 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-16 17:06 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-11 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 5/7] taskstats: Improve cumulative CPU " Michael Holzheu
2010-11-13 18:38 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-15 15:55 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-15 16:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 17:49 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-15 17:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-15 18:00 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-15 18:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-16 8:54 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2010-11-16 16:57 ` Michael Holzheu
2010-11-18 17:10 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-19 19:46 ` Michael Holzheu
2010-11-16 17:34 ` Michael Holzheu
2010-11-16 17:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-18 16:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-11-11 17:03 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 6/7] taskstats: Fix accounting for non-leader thread exec Michael Holzheu
2010-11-11 17:11 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 7/7] taskstats: Precise process accounting user space Michael Holzheu
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