From: Alban Crequy <alban.crequy@collabora.co.uk>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: eric.dumazet@gmail.com, shemminger@vyatta.com,
gorcunov@openvz.org, adobriyan@gmail.com, lennart@poettering.net,
kay.sievers@vrfy.org, ian.molton@collabora.co.uk,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/9] AF_UNIX: find the recipients for multicast messages
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:03:15 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101123150315.4e67a139@chocolatine.cbg.collabora.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101122.110519.39205345.davem@davemloft.net>
Le Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:05:19 -0800 (PST),
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> a écrit :
> From: Alban Crequy <alban.crequy@collabora.co.uk>
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:36:17 +0000
>
> > unix_find_multicast_recipients() builds an array of recipients. It
> > can either find the peers of a specific multicast address, or find
> > all the peers of all multicast group the sender is part of.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Alban Crequy <alban.crequy@collabora.co.uk>
>
> You really should use RCU to lock this stuff, this way sends run
> lockless and have less worries wrt. the memory allocation. You'll
> also only take a spinlock in the write paths which change the
> multicast groups, which ought to be rare.
I understand the benefit to use RCU in order to have lockless sends.
But with RCU I will still have worries about the memory allocation:
- I cannot allocate inside a rcu_read_lock()-rcu_read_unlock() block.
- If I iterate locklessly over the multicast group members with
hlist_for_each_entry_rcu(), new members can be added, so the
array can be allocated with the wrong size and I have to try again
("goto try_again") when this rare case occurs.
- Another idea would be to avoid completely the allocation by inlining
unix_find_multicast_recipients() inside unix_dgram_sendmsg() and
delivering the messages to the recipients as long as the list is
being iterated locklessly. But I want to provide atomicity of
delivery: the message must be delivered with skb_queue_tail() either
to all the recipients or to none of them in case of interruption or
memory pressure. I don't see how I can achieve that without
iterating several times on the list of recipients, hence the
allocation and the copy in the array. I also want to guarantee the
order of delivery as described in multicast-unix-sockets.txt and for
this, I am taking lots of spinlocks anyway. I don't see how to avoid
that, but I would be happy to be wrong and have a better solution.
> Although to be honest you should optimize the case of small numbers of
> recipients, in the same way we optimize small numbers of iovecs on
> sends. Have an on-stack array that holds a small number of entries
> and use that if the set fits, otherwise dynamic allocation.
To give an idea of the number of members in a multicast group for the
D-Bus use case, I have 90 D-Bus connections on my session bus:
$ dbus-send --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.DBus \
/org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames | grep '":'|wc -l
90
In common cases, there should be only a few real recipients (1 or 2?)
after the socket filters eliminate most of them, but
unix_find_multicast_recipients() will still allocate an array of
about that size.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-23 15:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-22 18:34 [PATCH 0/9] RFC v2: Multicast and filtering features on AF_UNIX Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 1/9] AF_UNIX: Add constant for Unix socket options level Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 2/9] AF_UNIX: add setsockopt on Unix sockets Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 3/9] AF_UNIX: create, join and leave multicast groups with setsockopt Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 19:00 ` David Miller
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 4/9] AF_UNIX: find the recipients for multicast messages Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 19:05 ` David Miller
2010-11-23 15:03 ` Alban Crequy [this message]
2010-11-23 16:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-23 16:56 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-11-23 17:47 ` Alban Crequy
2010-11-23 18:39 ` David Miller
2010-11-22 20:14 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 5/9] AF_UNIX: Deliver message to several recipients in case of multicast Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 6/9] AF_UNIX: Apply Linux Socket Filtering to Unix sockets Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 7/9] AF_UNIX: Documentation on multicast Unix Sockets Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 19:07 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2010-11-22 20:09 ` Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 8/9] AF_UNIX: add options on multicast connected socket Alban Crequy
2010-11-22 18:36 ` [PATCH 9/9] AF_UNIX: implement poll(POLLOUT) for multicast sockets Alban Crequy
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