mirror of https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: microcai@fedoraproject.org
Cc: Lisa Milne <lisa@ltmnet.com>,
	"jonsmirl@gmail.com" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-console@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: VT console need rewrite
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:07:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101129140721.40bbc1e8@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1290994083.877.13.camel@cai.gentoo>

> Don't you see the cosole code ? There is TODO that say , "hey , I need
> UNICODE support..."

And what has happened over time is that we've learned

- that real unicode is hard
- that some languages need very complex character handling, and this
  happens to be most of the major non western european languages in the
  world today

and someone put all the needed logic into pango, and people wrote fbterm
and friends. The world has moved on

> Simply drawing characters won't need any hw acceleration. It doesn't
> matter if it is slow. KMS and Wayland will make more people work under
> console, trust me.

No I don't trust you, sorry. You need compositing acceleration to do some
of the character composing efficiently and to do anti-aliasing which for
small symbols in many non western fonts is rather essential.

> > Your other problem is mode setting, VESA is on its way out, a lot of
> No, VESA will still be here for another decades. Some fb driver conflict

VESA is X86 specific, PC class hardware specific and subject to various
assumptions, when it works.

No VESA on Intel MID platforms, no VESA on PPC, no VESA on Android phones

> printk console , if redirect to a ttyS? , then the outer Linux world
> terminal will do UNICODE handling. 

In a window in a debug/development environment under X11 with Pango..

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-29 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-28 10:57 Microcai
2010-11-28 13:24 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-28 13:42   ` Microcai
2010-11-28 14:05     ` jonsmirl
2010-11-28 14:29       ` Microcai
2010-11-28 14:49         ` jonsmirl
2010-11-28 19:11         ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  1:10           ` Microcai
2010-11-29  2:49             ` Américo Wang
2010-11-29  2:48               ` Microcai
2010-11-29  8:16             ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  8:20               ` microcai
2010-11-29  8:27                 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  8:53                   ` Microcai
2010-11-29  8:59                     ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-28 16:06       ` Lisa Milne
2010-11-28 16:20         ` Microcai
2010-11-28 19:46           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-29  1:14             ` Microcai
2010-11-29  8:58               ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  9:32                 ` Microcai
2010-11-29  9:58                   ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29 10:11                     ` Microcai
2010-11-29 10:17                       ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29 10:40                         ` Microcai
2010-11-29 10:39                           ` Samuel Thibault
2010-12-15 14:45                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-12-15 15:04                       ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  1:55             ` Alexey Gladkov
2010-11-29  2:14               ` Microcai
2010-11-29 14:02                 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-29 17:50                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-29 21:23                   ` Jerome Glisse
2010-11-28 23:46           ` Alan Cox
2010-11-29  1:28             ` Microcai
2010-11-29 14:07               ` Alan Cox [this message]
2010-11-30  5:05                 ` microcai
2010-12-20  6:35                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-29 10:01 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-29 10:12   ` Microcai
2010-12-07 20:37     ` Jesse Barnes
2010-12-13  7:13   ` Pavel Machek
2010-12-13 10:18     ` Alan Cox
2010-12-15 14:40       ` Pavel Machek

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20101129140721.40bbc1e8@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk \
    --to=alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk \
    --cc=jonsmirl@gmail.com \
    --cc=linux-console@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=lisa@ltmnet.com \
    --cc=microcai@fedoraproject.org \
    --cc=tytso@mit.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox

all inboxes | Powered by JetHome®