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From: Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Kamalesh Babulal <kamalesh@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	Nikhil Rao <ncrao@google.com>
Subject: Re: [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 3/7] sched: throttle cfs_rq entities which exceed their local quota
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:20:46 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110228035046.GB3005@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin-SK1G+MdTKfYDw53bcWoEjBn6fqUzPn5mPzbq@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:51:01PM -0800, Paul Turner wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:58 AM, Bharata B Rao
> <bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:10:58PM -0800, Paul Turner wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 19:18 -0800, Paul Turner wrote:
> >>
> >> >> +     update_cfs_load(cfs_rq, 0);
> >> >> +
> >> >> +     /* prevent previous buddy nominations from re-picking this se */
> >> >> +     clear_buddies(cfs_rq_of(se), se);
> >> >> +
> >> >> +     /*
> >> >> +      * It's possible for the current task to block and re-wake before task
> >> >> +      * switch, leading to a throttle within enqueue_task->update_curr()
> >> >> +      * versus an an entity that has not technically been enqueued yet.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not quite seeing how this would happen.. care to expand on this?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm not sure the example Bharata gave is correct -- I'm going to treat
> >> that discussion separately as it's not the intent here.
> >
> > Just for the record, my examples were not given for the above question from
> > Peter.
> >
> > I answered two questions and I am tempted to stand by those until proven
> > wrong :)
> 
> This is important to get right, I'm happy to elaborate.
> 
> >
> > 1. Why do we have cfs_rq_throtted() check in dequeue_task_fair() ?
> 
> The check is primarily needed because we could become throttled as
> part of a regular dequeue.  At which point we bail because the parent
> dequeue is actually complete.
> 
> (Were it necessitated by load balance we could actually not do this
> and just perform a hierarchal check within load_balance_fair)
> 
> > ( => How could we be running if our parent was throttled ?)
> >
> 
> The only way we can be running if our parent was throttled is if /we/
> triggered that throttle and have been marked for re-schedule.
> 
> > Consider the following hierarchy.
> >
> > Root Group
> >   |
> >   |
> > Group 1 (Bandwidth constrained group)
> >   |
> >   |
> > Group 2 (Infinite runtime group)
> >
> > Assume both the groups have tasks in them.
> >
> > When Group 1 is throttled, its cfs_rq is marked throttled, and is removed from
> > Root group's runqueue. But leaf tasks in Group 2 continue to be enqueued in
> > Group 1's runqueue.
> >
> 
> Yes, the hierarchy state is maintained in isolation.
> 
> > Load balancer kicks in on CPU A and figures out that it can pull a few tasks
> > from CPU B (busiest_cpu). It iterates through all the task groups
> > (load_balance_fair) and considers Group 2 also. It tries to pull a task from
> > CPU B's cfs_rq for Group 2. I don't see anything that would prevent the
> > load balancer from bailing out here.
> 
> Per above, the descendants of a throttled group are also identified
> (and appropriately skipped) using h_load.

This bit is still unclear to me. We do nothing in tg_load_down() to treat
throttled cfs_rqs differently when calculating h_load. Nor do we do
anything in load_balance_fair() to explicitly identify descendents of
throttled group using h_load AFAICS. All we have is
cfs_rq_throttled() check, which I think should be converted to entity_on_rq()
to check for the throttled hierarchy and discard pulling from throttled
hierarchies.

Regards,
Bharata.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-28  3:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-16  3:18 [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 0/7] Introduction Paul Turner
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 1/7] sched: introduce primitives to account for CFS bandwidth tracking Paul Turner
2011-02-16 16:52   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-17  2:54     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:11     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 20:53     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 2/7] sched: accumulate per-cfs_rq cpu usage Paul Turner
2011-02-16 17:45   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:33     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 12:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 3/7] sched: throttle cfs_rq entities which exceed their local quota Paul Turner
2011-02-18  6:52   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-24  5:21     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-24 11:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-24 15:45         ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-24 15:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-24 16:39             ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-24 17:20               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:59                 ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25  3:41         ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25  3:10     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 13:58       ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-25 20:51         ` Paul Turner
2011-02-28  3:50           ` Bharata B Rao [this message]
2011-02-28  6:38             ` Paul Turner
2011-02-28 13:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-01  8:31         ` Paul Turner
2011-03-02  7:23   ` Bharata B Rao
2011-03-02  8:05     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 4/7] sched: unthrottle cfs_rq(s) who ran out of quota at period refresh Paul Turner
2011-02-18  7:19   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-18  8:10     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-23 12:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-24  7:04     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-24 11:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-26  0:02     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 5/7] sched: add exports tracking cfs bandwidth control statistics Paul Turner
2011-02-22  3:14   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-22  4:13     ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-22  4:40       ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23  8:03         ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23 10:13           ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:26     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25  8:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 6/7] sched: hierarchical task accounting for SCHED_OTHER Paul Turner
2011-02-22  3:17   ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23  8:05     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23  2:02   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2011-02-23  2:20     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23  2:43     ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-25  3:25     ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 12:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-02-16  3:18 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 7/7] sched: add documentation for bandwidth control Paul Turner
2011-02-21  2:47 ` [CFS Bandwidth Control v4 0/7] Introduction Xiao Guangrong
2011-02-22 10:28   ` Bharata B Rao
2011-02-23  7:42   ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23  7:51     ` Balbir Singh
2011-02-23  7:56       ` Paul Turner
2011-02-23  8:31         ` Bharata B Rao
     [not found] ` <20110224161111.7d83a884@jacob-laptop>
2011-02-25 10:03   ` Paul Turner
2011-02-25 13:06     ` jacob pan
2011-03-08  3:57       ` Balbir Singh
2011-03-08 18:18         ` Jacob Pan
2011-03-09 10:12       ` Paul Turner
2011-03-09 21:57         ` jacob pan

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