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From: Jan Kratochvil <jan.kratochvil@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Proposal for ptrace improvements
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:06:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110301190638.GA12196@host1.dyn.jankratochvil.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110301152457.GE26074@htj.dyndns.org>

On Tue, 01 Mar 2011 16:24:57 +0100, Tejun Heo wrote:
> P4. PTRACE_SEIZE
[...]
> Completion notification is delivered in the usual way via wait(2).  If
> the task was in jctl stop, it would report the stop signal with the
> matching siginfo.  If the task hits an existing ptrace trap condition,
> the matching SIGTRAP will be reported; otherwise, SIGTRAP will be
> reported with siginfo indicating PTRACE_SEIZE trap.

This is a change from the Roland's proposed PTRACE_ATTACH_NOSTOP.
Currently it is already a problem that apps did not / do not expect the first
waitpid after PTRACE_ATTACH may not be SIGSTOP.  And in the racy case of
a pending signal during PTRACE_ATTACH which gets delivered by first waidpid
the tracer either crashes or loses the signal etc.  (It was a problem for
older GDB, it is fixed in recent GDBs, there exist other ptrace using tools.)

And after all it gets complicated to call PTRACE_ATTACH and then postpone the
reception of SIGSTOP while other signals are being delivered first.


> WAY FORWARD (yeah, I'm feeling some marketing vibe)
> -----------
[...]
> What someone would want if one could start from the scratch is interesting
> but ultimately irrelevant.

The ugdb project provides unified debugging facility for both local and remote
debugging.  With the ptrace extensions a network protocol server needs to be
developed/used anyway and it will be just a thin userland layer mapping
read/write calls to the ptrace calls on the server side in an ineffective way.

OTOH one can look at the similar case of TUX/khttpd (also) has never been
merged into the kernel.


Regards,
Jan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-03-01 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-01 15:24 Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 16:57 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-01 17:09   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 17:12     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 17:21     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-01 18:34       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 23:51         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:10           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02  5:07         ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-02  7:44           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:32             ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-02 11:52               ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 14:50               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 13:32             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-03  0:47               ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-03  1:30                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-03  1:55                   ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-03  7:03                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 19:06 ` Jan Kratochvil [this message]
2011-03-01 22:14   ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:28     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 10:58       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 16:14     ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-04 16:41       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 17:07       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 18:12         ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-03-05  8:47           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-01 22:59 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:32   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:02     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 11:23       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-03 19:26         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-01 23:16 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02  7:37   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:21     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 11:27       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 11:48         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 14:43           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-02 15:16             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-02 15:25               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-03 17:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-03 20:22   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04  8:23     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 18:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-05  8:33         ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 13:01     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 13:41       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 13:59         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 14:07           ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 14:31             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 14:40               ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 17:05                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 17:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 18:59                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-03-04 19:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-04 16:13               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 16:30                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04  8:44   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 16:01     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-04 16:15       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-04 16:26         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-07 15:08 ` PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT: " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-09  9:41   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-09 17:30     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-07 20:43 ` Roland McGrath
2011-03-09 10:28   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-10 18:33     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-11  8:13       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-11  8:22       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-11  9:35         ` Srikar Dronamraju
2011-03-11  9:43           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-14  1:03     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-03-10 15:55   ` Steven Rostedt

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