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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Joe Korty <joe.korty@ccur.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] An RCU for SMP with a single CPU garbage collector
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:30:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110310003056.GD2196@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110308225355.GA3447@tsunami.ccur.com>

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 05:53:55PM -0500, Joe Korty wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 10:57:10AM -0500, Joe Korty wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 04:07:42AM -0500, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >>> Thinking about it some more, the tap-into-syscall approach might
> >>> work in my implementation, in which case the tap-into-preempt-enable
> >>> code could go away.
> > > 
> >> OK, please let me know how that goes!
> >> 
> >>> Nice thing about RCU, the algorithms are infinitely mallable :)
> >> 
> >> Just trying to keep the code size finite.  ;-)
> > 
> > I hope to get to it this afternoon!  I especially like
> > the lockless nature of JRCU, and that the dedicated cpus
> > are not loaded down with callback inovcations either.
> > Not sure how to support the PREEMPT_RCU mode though; so
> > if Fredrick is planning to support that, that alone would
> > make his approach the very best.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Paul,
> I had a brainstorm. It _seems_ that JRCU might work fine if
> all I did was remove the expensive preempt_enable() tap.
> No new taps on system calls or anywhere else.  That would
> leave only the context switch tap plus the batch start/end
> sampling that is remotely performed on each cpu by the
> garbage collector.  Not even rcu_read_unlock has a tap --
> it is just a plain-jane preempt_enable() now.
> 
> And indeed it works!  I am able to turn off the local
> timer interrupt on one (of 15) cpus and the batches
> keep flowing on.  I have two user 100%  use test apps
> (one of them does no system calls), when I run that
> on the timer-disabled cpu the batches still advance.
> Admittedly the batches do not advance as fast as before
> .. they used to advance at the max rate of 50 msecs/batch.
> Now I regularly see batch lengths approaching 400 msecs.
> 
> I plan to put some taps into some other low overhead places
> -- at all the voluntary preemption points, at might_sleep,
> at rcu_read_unlock, for safety purposes.  But it is nice
> to see a zero overhead approach that works fine without
> any of that.

If you had a user-level process that never did system calls and never
entered the scheduler, what do you do to force forward progress of the RCU
grace periods?  (This is force_quiescent_state()'s job in TREE_RCU, FYI.)

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-10  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-04 23:21 dyntick-hpc and RCU Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-05  5:27 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-05  5:38   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-05 15:06     ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-05 20:06       ` Dhaval Giani
2010-11-05 15:04   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-08 14:10     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-05 21:00 ` [PATCH] a local-timer-free version of RCU Joe Korty
2010-11-06 19:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-06 19:34     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-06 19:42       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-06 19:44         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-08  2:11     ` Udo A. Steinberg
2010-11-08  2:19       ` Udo A. Steinberg
2010-11-08  2:54         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-08 15:32           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-08 19:38             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-08 20:40               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-10 18:08                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-08 15:06     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-08 15:18       ` Joe Korty
2010-11-08 19:50         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-08 19:49       ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-08 20:51         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-06 20:03   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-11-09  9:22   ` Lai Jiangshan
2010-11-10 15:54     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-10 17:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-10 17:45         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-11  4:19         ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-13 22:30           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-16  1:28             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-16 13:52               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-16 15:51                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-11-17  0:52                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-11-17  1:25                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-07 20:31                     ` [PATCH] An RCU for SMP with a single CPU garbage collector Joe Korty
     [not found]                       ` <20110307210157.GG3104@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2011-03-07 21:16                         ` Joe Korty
2011-03-07 21:33                           ` Joe Korty
2011-03-07 22:51                           ` Joe Korty
2011-03-08  9:07                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-08 15:57                               ` Joe Korty
2011-03-08 22:53                                 ` Joe Korty
2011-03-10  0:30                                   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2011-03-10  0:28                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-09 22:29                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-03-09 22:15                       ` [PATCH 2/4] jrcu: tap rcu_read_unlock Joe Korty
2011-03-10  0:34                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-10 19:50                           ` JRCU Theory of Operation Joe Korty
2011-03-12 14:36                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-13  0:43                               ` Joe Korty
2011-03-13  5:56                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-13 23:53                                   ` Joe Korty
2011-03-14  0:50                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-14  0:55                                       ` Josh Triplett
2011-03-09 22:16                       ` [PATCH 3/4] jrcu: tap might_resched() Joe Korty
2011-03-09 22:17                       ` [PATCH 4/4] jrcu: add new stat to /sys/kernel/debug/rcu/rcudata Joe Korty
2011-03-09 22:19                       ` [PATCH 1/4] jrcu: remove preempt_enable() tap [resend] Joe Korty
2011-03-12 14:36                       ` [PATCH] An RCU for SMP with a single CPU garbage collector Paul E. McKenney
2011-03-13  1:25                         ` Joe Korty
2011-03-13  6:09                           ` Paul E. McKenney

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