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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: andy.green@linaro.org
Cc: andy@warmcat.com,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	Jaswinder Singh <jaswinder.singh@linaro.org>,
	Linux USB list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	arnd@arndb.de, broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com,
	roger.quadros@nokia.com, greg@kroah.com,
	grant.likely@secretlab.ca
Subject: Re: RFC: Platform data for onboard USB assets
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:47:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110323094720.63e7c6b2@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D89BDE2.60907@linaro.org>

> There is no udev solution for what is being done currently by the async 
> platform_data patchset with SDIO WLAN.  The patches are out there and in 
> use already.  The only reason I don't post them here as round 2 of the 
> RFC yet is because Grant wanted a couple of days and politically it's 
> expedient for me to agree to that.

Kernel policy has always been that just because some vendor has deployed
an interface doesn't mean we care one iota about it or consider it an
argument for the solution. In some cases in fact it bcomes the working
demo of why it was a bad idea.

> But there are a huge number of users of platform_data in mainline 
> already we can agree.  Are you talking about a mass conversion of those 
> to eliminating platform_data so they use your preferred token query model?

Ultimately that will probably be worth doing once we have some kind of
meaningful model. We've actually been slowly beating platform devices
into making more use of the resource data it does have when possible, and
we have various parsers between platform data and device specific
platform data structs that are horrible glue-together jobs that it would
be nice to stomp on.

> I think the first additional effort needs to start at home on that one 
> and think through Device Tree and kernel policy on interoperation with 
> existing driver implementations using platform_data.  Just being sniffy 
> about platform_data for reasons you can't back up when challenged won't 
> cut it IMO.

Much of this depends upon what the data is and what it changes. Things
like interface names for example shouldn't be kernel mangled on the whim
of random board vendors. They follow a unified behaviour *across*
platforms, which is what matters most in the bigger picture.

Other stuff is to all intents and purposes sometimes hard coded into
drivers because while they are USB drivers they are checking specific
vendor id fields and changing behaviour on them. In some cases those
vendor id fields are actually a specific hardwired device.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-23  9:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-11  9:50 Andy Green
2011-03-11 12:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 12:44   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 14:42     ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:12       ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:22       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 15:50         ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-11 15:55           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 15:29   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 15:54     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 16:03       ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:14         ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:27           ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:35             ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:48               ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:56                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 17:08                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 17:23                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 17:41                       ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17  2:14                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-17 20:13                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 20:18                           ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 20:26                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 21:24                               ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 21:31                                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 21:40                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-17 21:47                                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 22:33                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 22:53                                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-17 23:18                                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 23:25                                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-18  7:42                                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 22:54                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 22:57                                                   ` Andy Green
2011-03-18  4:54                                             ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18  8:19                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 23:22                                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 15:00                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 15:15                                             ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 17:52                                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 18:20                                               ` David Anders
2011-03-18 18:25                                                 ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 20:02                                                   ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 21:11                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 21:17                                                       ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 20:06                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18 21:33                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 23:25                                                   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-18 23:33                                                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 21:36                                                 ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18 22:47                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 21:28                                               ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18 23:04                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-18 22:37                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-18 22:39                                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 23:27                                         ` Grant Likely
2011-03-18  7:49                                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-18  8:25                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18  8:38                                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 22:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-17 22:20                                 ` Greg KH
2011-03-18  8:42                                 ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-18  9:01                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-18  9:55                                     ` Roger Quadros
2011-03-18 10:09                                       ` Andy Green
2011-03-17 21:03                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-17 21:32                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:26         ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 16:45           ` Alan Stern
2011-03-11 16:51             ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 17:08               ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 18:09                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 19:12                   ` Alan Stern
2011-03-11 20:05                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 20:21                       ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 21:07                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 21:44                           ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 22:24                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-12 16:00                             ` Alan Stern
2011-03-12 23:02                               ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 19:37                   ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:53             ` Mark Brown
2011-03-11 16:08 ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:20   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 16:36     ` Greg KH
2011-03-11 16:41       ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 22:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-11 21:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-11 22:45 ` Grant Likely
2011-03-11 22:47   ` Andy Green
2011-03-11 23:39     ` Grant Likely
2011-03-14 14:54   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-22 15:05 ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 16:04   ` Andy Green
2011-03-22 18:19     ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 18:37       ` Andy Green
2011-03-22 18:59         ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-22 19:35           ` Andy Green
     [not found] ` <AANLkTim=ezye=1fQP_1a2SWbPnbENP9B+k27Z3AkS=zf@mail.gmail.com>
2011-03-22 15:12   ` Mark Brown
2011-03-22 15:23     ` Jaswinder Singh
2011-03-24 18:56     ` Grant Likely
2011-03-22 21:08   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-22 22:37     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23  1:03       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  2:26         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  3:23           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  4:21             ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  4:56               ` Greg KH
2011-03-23  5:44               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23  9:38               ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 10:53                 ` Mark Brown
2011-03-23 15:04                   ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 15:10                     ` Mark Brown
2011-03-23 15:24                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 15:45                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 15:38                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23  9:31             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23  9:47               ` Alan Cox [this message]
2011-03-23 10:06                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 10:32                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 10:39                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 10:56                       ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 11:13                         ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 11:34                           ` Alan Cox
2011-03-23 12:02                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 15:08                     ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 16:12                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 16:22                         ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 16:34                           ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 16:56                           ` [RFC] usbnet: use eth%d name for known ethernet devices Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 17:04                             ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 17:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 10:45                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 17:13                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 17:54                               ` David Anders
2011-03-23 18:46                             ` Greg KH
2011-03-23 19:35                               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                 ` <AANLkTim7hPfTv3gDYnh+jGxHBg0OvX=r1FKYoHnH7H_o@mail.gmail.com>
2011-03-23 19:57                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-23 19:59                                     ` Randy Dunlap
2011-03-23 23:17                                       ` Michal Nazarewicz
2011-03-23 23:19                                         ` Randy Dunlap
2011-03-23 23:38                                         ` Steve Calfee
2011-03-24  0:01                                           ` Ben Hutchings
2011-03-24 13:13                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 13:15                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 13:44                                                 ` Andy Green
2011-03-24 13:56                                                 ` Alan Stern
2011-03-24 17:20                                                 ` Alexey Orishko
2011-03-25 11:57                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-25 16:26                                                     ` Alexey Orishko
2011-03-25 16:43                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-24 19:17                   ` RFC: Platform data for onboard USB assets Grant Likely
2011-03-24 20:10                     ` Andy Green
2011-03-23 14:55                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-03-23 10:22               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-23 15:11                 ` Nicolas Pitre

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