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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Stas Sergeev <stsp@aknet.ru>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [path][rfc] add PR_DETACH prctl command [2/2]
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:00:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110421200006.GA12248@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DAF439A.5020204@aknet.ru>

On 04/21, Stas Sergeev wrote:
> 20.04.2011 23:33, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
>> I still do not understand the point of PR_DETACH. Why do you think it is
>> needed without reparenting? OK, I do not really care ;)
> Hmm, but that's really interesting, I wonder why do
> you ask this.

Because I do not understand why do we need this feature. And I strongly
dislike the complications this (wrong) patch adds.

> In my eyes, the reparenting was just a
> "trick",

Sure, I din't like the previous semantics too.


Once again, last time... No need to convince me. Please convince
someone who can ack this hack authoritatively. I can't anyway. And
I'm afraid nobody except Linus can decide whether we need it or not.

>From my side - nack. What can I do if I do not agree with you?

>>>> And. To hide the pr_detached task from do_wait(). you changed
>>>> do_notify_parent() to returnd DEATH_REAP.
>>> No, its hidden by the check in wait_consider_task().
>>> do_notify_parent() was changed only to not allow the
>>> second notification to the same parent.
>> Not only. Please look at your own code ;) wait_consider_task() checks
>> exit_state == EXIT_ZOMBIE before p->pr_detached, and thus do_notify_parent()
>> haas to return DEATH_REAP so that the caller will set EXIT_DEAD. Otherwise
>> the old parent could see EXIT_ZOMBIE&&  pr_detached task again.
> Yes, but that's not to hide from do_wait().
> At least as far as I understand, exit_notify() does
> release_task() in this case, so that's not hiding: I
> literally terminate the child this way.

Yes. But there is a window before release_task() does this, we should
change task->state.

But I forgot where did we start... perhaps I missed something or meant
something else. Perhaps I disliked the fact wait_consider_task() checks
EXIT_ZOMBIE before pr_detached... Nevermind.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-21 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-23 13:50 [path][rfc] add PR_DETACH prctl command Stas Sergeev
2011-02-23 19:14 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-23 20:35   ` Stas Sergeev
2011-02-24 13:29     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-24 15:13       ` Stas Sergeev
2011-02-24 15:32         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-31 16:10           ` Stas Sergeev
2011-03-31 17:02             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-31 17:47               ` Stas Sergeev
2011-03-31 18:18                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-31 20:58                   ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-02 13:55                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-02 18:20                       ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-02 22:00                       ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-01 17:02               ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-02 14:06                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-04 14:34               ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-04 16:03                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-04 20:05                   ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-05 15:15                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-05 16:25                       ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-05 16:45                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-05 17:51                           ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-08 10:51                           ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-08 18:55                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-08 20:16                               ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-11 11:15                           ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-19 14:44                           ` [path][rfc] add PR_DETACH prctl command [1/3] Stas Sergeev
2011-04-19 14:50                           ` [path][rfc] add PR_DETACH prctl command [2/3] Stas Sergeev
2011-04-19 14:54                           ` [path][rfc] add PR_DETACH prctl command [3/3] Stas Sergeev
2011-04-19 14:58                             ` Alan Cox
2011-04-19 15:08                               ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-19 15:54                                 ` Alan Cox
2011-04-19 16:13                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-19 16:29                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-19 16:54                                       ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-19 17:20                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-19 17:41                                           ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-19 18:17                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-19 16:19                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-20 13:12                                   ` [path][rfc] add PR_DETACH prctl command [1/2] Stas Sergeev
2011-04-20 13:14                                   ` [path][rfc] add PR_DETACH prctl command [2/2] Stas Sergeev
2011-04-20 16:50                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-20 18:45                                       ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-20 19:33                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-20 20:35                                           ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-21 20:00                                             ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2011-04-21 20:11                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-21 10:02                                       ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-21 20:15                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-04-21 20:32                                           ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-08 18:13 ` [path][rfc] add PR_DETACH prctl command Bryan Donlan
2011-04-08 20:26   ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-08 20:52     ` Bryan Donlan
2011-04-08 21:14       ` Stas Sergeev
2011-04-08 21:25         ` Bryan Donlan
2011-04-08 21:38           ` Stas Sergeev

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