From: Jan Kratochvil <jan.kratochvil@redhat.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: oleg@redhat.com, vda.linux@googlemail.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, indan@nul.nu
Subject: Re: getter PTRACE_GETSIGINFO should not modify anything [Re: [PATCH 11/11] ptrace: implement group stop notification for ptracer]
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:17:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110516121711.GC10469@host1.jankratochvil.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110516084350.GO23665@htj.dyndns.org>
Hi Tejun,
On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:43:50 +0200, Tejun Heo wrote:
> There's distinction between "broken" and "ugly". If it's ugly but
> functional, you don't need to "fix" it.
The final goal is the user experience (such as the users of GDB), nothing else
matters. If it is so "ugly" the userland developers fail to use it the
project as a whole still broken.
> Frankly, I think the biggest disease was this obsession with
> perfection.
I try to suggest fixes which seem to be easier on the kernel side than trying
to workaround them in all the debugger-like applications. After various
strace fixes and for years gdb linux-nat fixes there is a need to move to
gdbserver which will mean to reimplement all the ptrace workarounds again.
> So, I'm gonna push back quite a bit unless it actually compromises
> functionality or correctness.
With your position "if it is workaroundable in userland let's make the new
kernel API broken again" it no longer makes sense to comment on it. Yes,
everything is workaroundable but that is usually not the goal of new APIs.
Thanks,
Jan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-16 12:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-08 15:48 [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 01/11] job control: rename signal->group_stop and flags to jobctl and rearrange flags Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 02/11] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE Tejun Heo
2011-05-09 16:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 9:46 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 13:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 13:47 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 18:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-15 15:56 ` PTRACE_SEIZE should not stop [Re: [PATCH 02/11] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE] Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 16:26 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:15 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 17:25 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 19:48 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 8:31 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:26 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:42 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 13:03 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 13:51 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 13:21 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 13:45 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 13:48 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 13:54 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 03/11] ptrace: ptrace_check_attach(): rename @kill to @ignore_state and add comments Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 04/11] ptrace: implement PTRACE_INTERRUPT Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 21:58 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-09 10:09 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-09 10:55 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-09 16:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 9:50 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 14:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 14:20 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 18:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 8:29 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 17:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 17:21 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 21:59 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-11 9:19 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 12:23 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-11 13:22 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 16:20 ` Bryan Donlan
2011-05-11 19:24 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 16:10 ` PTRACE_DETACH without stop [Re: [PATCH 04/11] ptrace: implement PTRACE_INTERRUPT] Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 16:35 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:39 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 9:01 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:08 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:24 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 05/11] ptrace: restructure ptrace_getsiginfo() Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 06/11] ptrace: make group stop state visible via PTRACE_GETSIGINFO Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 16:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 17:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 8:08 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 16:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 17:15 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 07/11] ptrace: add JOBCTL_TRAPPED Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 08/11] ptrace: move fallback JOBCTL_TRAPPING clearing to get_signal_to_deliver() Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 15:48 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 19:17 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 15:40 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 09/11] job control: reorganize wait_task_stopped() Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 15:48 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 19:29 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 15:42 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 16:02 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 17:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 17:32 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 17:33 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 18:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-13 8:46 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-13 17:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-14 10:56 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 14:40 ` waitpid(WNOHANG) should report SIGCHLD-notified signals [Re: [PATCH 09/11] job control: reorganize wait_task_stopped()] Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 16:47 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:01 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:47 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 9:13 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:11 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:27 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:39 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:46 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 10/11] ptrace: move JOBCTL_TRAPPING wait to wait(2) and ptrace_check_attach() Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 16:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 17:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 19:45 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 19:53 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 10:23 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 16:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 15:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 16:07 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 18:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-13 9:13 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-13 18:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 11/11] ptrace: implement group stop notification for ptracer Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 22:42 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-09 10:10 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 22:37 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-11 9:05 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 12:01 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-11 13:13 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 19:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 20:18 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 20:21 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 10:24 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 14:02 ` getter PTRACE_GETSIGINFO should not modify anything [Re: [PATCH 11/11] ptrace: implement group stop notification for ptracer] Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 14:28 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:17 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 17:28 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 20:06 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 8:43 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:17 ` Jan Kratochvil [this message]
2011-05-16 12:56 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 13:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-08 22:27 ` [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-09 9:48 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 13:55 ` ptrace-testsuite status [Re: [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification] Jan Kratochvil
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