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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Steve Munroe <sjmunroe@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] Add a sysconf syscall
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 22:51:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110516205150.GG25898@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OFD2EE69FB.301A458A-ON86257892.00631BE8-86257892.006A93AF@us.ibm.com>

> The syscall is only current if you call it frequently (i.e. every time),
> but there is tendency to go local (static memory) caching to avoid the
> syscall overhead. Something like _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN that is used to set
> up OpenMP/auto-parallel threading for major loops is likely to be cached.

That is true. Still I assume other programs would ask for it more frequently.

Longer term at some point we probably need a proper CPU hotplug
event interface, but short term polling is the standard model.

> 
> But if you look at the gettimeofday/vdso implementation, the time_base to
> time conversion is semi-dynamic for the NTPd case and we handle that in
> VDSO. There is shared memory access between the VDSO and the kernel for
> this case.

Yes, I wrote that code for x86 ;-)

> Is problem with rlimit that it is process or session dependent? But is it
> really dynamic once a process starts?

It can be changed any time per thread (actually per signal context).
Now that's probably not common, but I don't think a new ABI should
ignore the possibility of it changing anyways.

> It is not clear one size fits all here.

What partition would you suggest?

Also do you have a use case where the syscall is too slow?

I'm basically trying to find a good tradeoff for implementation effort
vs usefullness vs good semantics vs performance here.

-Andi
-- 
ak@linux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-16 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-13 23:24 Andi Kleen
2011-05-13 23:24 ` [PATCH 1/5] VFS: Make symlink nesting limit a define Andi Kleen
2011-05-13 23:24 ` [PATCH 2/5] Move max_threads variable declaration into include file Andi Kleen
2011-05-13 23:24 ` [PATCH 3/5] EXEC: Use define for stack to argument size limit Andi Kleen
2011-05-13 23:24 ` [PATCH 4/5] Add a sysconf syscall Andi Kleen
2011-05-14  6:57   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-14 16:34     ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-16 13:36       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-17 11:25         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-16 15:51       ` Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-16 16:08         ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-16 17:06           ` Andrew Lutomirski
     [not found]           ` <OFCC4C610A.F152D00D-ON86257892.005E11F4-86257892.005E22BA@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]             ` <4DD15E9B.2090809@linux.intel.com>
2011-05-17 10:59               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-16 15:42   ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-16 16:01     ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]       ` <OF30360F87.5C6D6DCF-ON86257892.005D7E68-86257892.005E0059@us.ibm.com>
2011-05-16 17:39         ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]           ` <OFD2EE69FB.301A458A-ON86257892.00631BE8-86257892.006A93AF@us.ibm.com>
2011-05-16 20:51             ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2011-05-17 12:33       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-13 23:24 ` [PATCH 5/5] Hook up sysconf syscall for all architectures Andi Kleen
2011-05-14  1:21   ` David Miller
2011-05-14  2:51     ` Andi Kleen
2011-05-14  2:23   ` Mike Frysinger
2011-05-24  1:46     ` Mike Frysinger
2011-05-26 18:04       ` Mike Frysinger
2011-05-26 18:45         ` Andi Kleen

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