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From: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: Henrik Rydberg <rydberg@euromail.se>
Cc: Daniel Kurtz <djkurtz@chromium.org>,
	chase.douglas@canonical.com, rubini@cvml.unipv.it,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	derek.foreman@collabora.co.uk, daniel.stone@collabora.co.uk,
	olofj@chromium.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/12] Input: synaptics - add image sensor support
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:58:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110706185832.GA6086@core.coreip.homeip.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110706184759.GA3389@polaris.bitmath.org>

On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 08:47:59PM +0200, Henrik Rydberg wrote:
> > > (C) A third, compromise implementation might be to do something like this:
> > >   (1) When >=2 fingers are on the pad, report 2 MT-B slots, where:
> > >     (a) slot[0] reports finger 1
> > >     (b) slot[1] reports finger 2
> > >     (c) Total number of fingers on pad is indicated by EV_KEY/BTN_TOOL_* is set.
> > >   (2) If 1 finger is removed, the tracking_id for its slot is invalidated;
> > >       but, the finger that remains stays in its same slot with the
> > > same tracking_id.
> > >   (3) Whenever the number of fingers changes from/to 3 or more
> > > fingers, both slots are always invalidated.
> > >       New tracking_ids are assigned to both slots which contain the
> > > two fingers now being reported.
> > >   (4) No special driver property is required for this, not even "semi-mt".
> > >       It should be as pure MT-B as we can get (plus BTN_TOOL_* hack).
> 
> I believe there is a strong userspace assumption that BTN_TOOL_* has
> no meaning for real MT devices. Rightfully so, IMO. Hence, I think
> semi-mt needs to be used here as well.

I think we need to adjust userspace to pay attention to BTN_TOOL_* for
MT-B too so that if number of slots advertised does not match
BTN_TOOL_* capabilities that means that the device does not privide
tracking data for all contacts.

Luckily this should be backward-compatible (i.e. older userspace will
ignore "extended" fingercounts, newer will pay attention to it).

> 
> > > 
> > 
> > This is the best option in my opinion. We will present 2 finger position
> > data plus extended finger count.
> 
> We never did put all the details of the bounding box coordinates in
> writing, so perhaps this is an opportunity to both fix that and extend
> usability to the case so described. The only question is whether there
> are applications out there which now assume min/max instead of contact
> positions. If anyone knows, please speak up. :-) Otherwise, I am very
> much for Daniel's case C, with Dmitry's modification.
> 
> In short: Use the semi-MT property, and send two suitable fingers
> along with it.

Umm... but it is my understanding that 2 fingers will provide real
tracking data, not bounding box, so why would we set semi-MT?

Maybe we have different notions of what semi-MT property conveys? For me
semi-MT indicates that the device provides 2 coordinates for bounding
box.  However if semi-MT is not set does not mean that the device
provides true tracking for all contacts, but only for advertised slots.
There still may be additional data transmitted.

Thanks.

-- 
Dmitry

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-06 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-29  5:07 [PATCH 00/12] Synaptics " djkurtz
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 01/12] Input: synaptics - cleanup 0x0c query documentation djkurtz
2011-07-05 17:33   ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-06 13:50     ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-07  6:30   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 02/12] Input: synaptics - do not invert y if 0 djkurtz
2011-07-04 21:08   ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-05  4:29     ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-05 18:07       ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-05 18:39         ` Chris Bagwell
2011-07-05 23:02         ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-05 17:42   ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-05 22:50     ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-05 23:06       ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-05 23:15         ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-05 23:25           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 03/12] Input: synaptics - fix minimum reported ABS_TOOL_WIDTH djkurtz
2011-06-29 13:28   ` Chris Bagwell
2011-06-29 16:48     ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-06-29 19:46       ` Chris Bagwell
2011-07-04 21:14         ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-09  6:24   ` Jeffrey Brown
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 04/12] Input: synaptics - set resolution for MT_POSITION_X/Y axes djkurtz
2011-07-05 17:44   ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-07  6:23     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 05/12] Input: synaptics - process button bits in AGM packets djkurtz
2011-07-04 21:24   ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-05  4:38     ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-05 18:18       ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-05 18:19         ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-05 17:47   ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-07  6:24     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 06/12] Input: synaptics - fuzz position if touchpad reports reduced filtering djkurtz
2011-07-05 17:49   ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-07  6:25     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 07/12] Input: synaptics - rename synaptics_data.mt to agm djkurtz
2011-07-04 21:26   ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-05  4:39     ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-05 18:20       ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-05 17:53   ` Chase Douglas
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 08/12] Input: synaptics - rename set_slot to be more descriptive djkurtz
2011-07-05 17:54   ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-07  6:27     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 09/12] Input: synaptics - add image sensor support djkurtz
2011-07-04 21:42   ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-05  5:08     ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-05 19:27       ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-06 16:41         ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-06 17:08           ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-06 17:45           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-07-06 18:47             ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-06 18:58               ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
2011-07-06 19:31                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-06 20:00                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-07-06 20:20                     ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-06 21:22                       ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-06 21:36                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-07-06 22:16                           ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-06 22:35                             ` Henrik Rydberg
2011-07-06 23:30                               ` Chase Douglas
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 10/12] Input: synaptics - decode AGM packet types djkurtz
2011-06-29 10:02   ` Chase Douglas
2011-06-29 10:07     ` Daniel Stone
2011-06-29 10:32       ` Chase Douglas
2011-06-29 11:26         ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-06-29 11:04     ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-07-05 18:17   ` Chase Douglas
2011-07-05 18:55     ` Chris Bagwell
2011-07-06 16:53       ` Daniel Kurtz
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 11/12] Input: synaptics - process finger (<=3) transitions djkurtz
2011-06-29  5:07 ` [PATCH 12/12] Input: synaptics - process finger (<=5) transitions djkurtz

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