From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751430Ab1GYJPe (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:15:34 -0400 Received: from mx2.mail.elte.hu ([157.181.151.9]:59316 "EHLO mx2.mail.elte.hu" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750946Ab1GYJP3 (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:15:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:14:40 +0200 From: Ingo Molnar To: Pekka Enberg Cc: Alexander Graf , Jan Kiszka , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, avi@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, gorcunov@gmail.com, levinsasha928@gmail.com, asias.hejun@gmail.com, prasadjoshi124@gmail.com Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Native Linux KVM tool for 3.1 Message-ID: <20110725091440.GB28787@elte.hu> References: <4E2CA6DE.4040900@web.de> <20110725075305.GA32294@elte.hu> <0EAA5203-D598-4CBA-B8D2-AB371A7689A9@suse.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-ELTE-SpamScore: -2.0 X-ELTE-SpamLevel: X-ELTE-SpamCheck: no X-ELTE-SpamVersion: ELTE 2.0 X-ELTE-SpamCheck-Details: score=-2.0 required=5.9 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no SpamAssassin version=3.3.1 -2.0 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org * Pekka Enberg wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Alexander Graf wrote: > >> Same here - in fact i first asked Qemu to be put into > >> tools/qemu/ so that it all becomes more hackable and more usable > >> - that suggestion was rebuked very strongly. > > > > So instead of thinking a bit and trying to realize that there > > might be a reason people don't want all their user space in the > > kernel tree you go ahead and start your own crusade of creating a > > new user space. Great. That's how I always hoped Linux would be > > :(. > > Damn you Ingo Molnar, I knew you'd somehow get all the credit for > our hard work! ;-) Yeah, i'm really just a user and code reviewer of tools/kvm/, in terms of actual commits i'm barely on the radar compared to the massive contributions of Pekka, Sasha, Asias, Cyrill and others. > More seriously, though, I fail to see what's bothering you > Alexander. I and Ingo already mentioned we wouldn't be hacking on > Qemu even if there wasn't no tools/kvm. It's not as if we're > putting *your* user space code into the kernel tree - we wrote our > own! What's wrong with that? That puzzles me as well. If tools/kvm/ is really such a bad approach then it will just wither and die, like one of the thousand stale drivers we have in the kernel - or like lguest it ends up as a cool hack that didnt quite make it. Judging by the many contributions tools/kvm/ has already attracted in its limited form an out of tree project i'd not bet on that outcome though. Thanks, Ingo