From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753149Ab1G2WBo (ORCPT ); Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:01:44 -0400 Received: from mail.wdtv.com ([66.118.69.84]:38472 "EHLO mail.wdtv.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753004Ab1G2WBn (ORCPT ); Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:01:43 -0400 From: Gene Heskett To: Keith Packard , Ben Brewer , dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: i915 SSC Patch Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:01:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38.8-pclos2.pae.bfs; KDE/4.6.5; i686; ; ) References: <4E32ADC7.3080002@codethink.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201107291801.40049.gene.heskett@gmail.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Friday, July 29, 2011, Keith Packard wrote: >On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:55:35 +0100, Ben Brewer wrote: >> I've added a global SSC (Spread Spectrum Clock) parameter to the i915 >> driver, since having SSC enabled breaks (distorts) VGA output on some >> Core i5/i7 chips (see >> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38750). SSC is still >> enabled by default so the behaviour won't change but setting the >> global_use_ssc parameter will turn this feature off and allow affected >> devices to function correctly (notably the Dell Vostro 3300). > >The question I have is why is SSC enabled on the VGA output at all? I >don't see any way VGA could ever tolerate it. Something does not make sense here Keith, so I'm with you, and my background is from about 60 years in tv maintenance and 45 in broadcasting. A pure digital output, where its a high speed serial transfer of bytes to the monitor, is generally not going to be sensitive the any SS used unless the baud rate slams around too much on a byte to byte basis. Since SS is generally just a few percent, even that should not be a problem. But feeding analog signals up a video cable to a vga monitor, and the pixel time is wobbling by 2 to 5% and you won't have much of a viewable image left. The analog signals, vga etc, needs their own video clock, a dead stable one. We used to spend $10k-30k$ just so we could take the signal from a mechanically unstable vcr that only cost us $10k, and make it stable enough to work on your home tv's without the top of the pix waving around like hurricane Katrina was in the neighborhood. Hardware design error in the Dell? Cheers, gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "Apathy is not the problem, it's the solution"