From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754348Ab1HQRYu (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:24:50 -0400 Received: from earthlight.etchedpixels.co.uk ([81.2.110.250]:35759 "EHLO localhost.localdomain" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753624Ab1HQRYq (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:24:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:53:50 +0100 From: Alan Cox To: Kay Sievers Cc: Oleg Nesterov , akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lennart@poettering.net, linux-man@vger.kernel.org, roland@hack.frob.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: + prctl-add-pr_setget_child_reaper-to-allow-simple-process-supervision .patch added to -mm tree Message-ID: <20110817165350.4bd3a2a9@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <201108162011.p7GKBcY0023134@imap1.linux-foundation.org> <20110817115543.GA8745@redhat.com> <20110817134516.GA14136@redhat.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.0; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org O> This is not meant as a security feature, if that's what your asking. > It will not prevent services from doing nasty things and escape the > process that started them. But it's still a feature that today only > PID 1 and which we need for more processes. I'm more worried about it beign a security flaw... > > IOW, imho this doesn't look very useful "in general" to me. > > It is very useful if you have an init-like daemon. Which is a special case > > > May be we need something else instead... And iiuc you don't really > > need to change the reparenting, you only want the notification if > > the process exits. > > No, we want to be the parent of the process, and we want to be the one > who reaps all the child process, not only receive some out-of-band > notifications. The sub-init is the babysitter of all the things it has > started, and that should be reflected in the parent child relation. Why ?